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That happens a lot around here. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
I could see, at the end of Hobbit, Gandalf driving his cart over Brandywine bridge while the credits begin then, as a last scene, after the credits, encountering Merry and Pippin as he enters Hobbiton and says to them, as he rolls by, "Get Ready".... then Merry and Pip trade perplexed looks. The End.
Welcome to the forum, wgrolfson! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Being someone who treasures the differences between The Hobbit and LOTR, I would prefer the ending of the book: Bilbo and Gandalf together in Bag End, with Bilbo living there happily. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
You should send that ending to PJ and the Coven they would most likely love it!
Hehe :lol: I agree with Eldorion, the ending should be like it is in the book. Don't forget about Balin though, Eldo! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
[quote="Ringdrotten":2b32rghx]Hehe :lol: I agree with Eldorion, the ending should be like it is in the book. Don't forget about Balin though, Eldo! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:2b32rghx] You are being too familiar :shock: with your betters; you address him as Sir Eldorion, he has been knighted you know. :roll:
For the few closing scenes I want the journey back to The Shire (plus the digging up of the trolls treasure) and the looks of disbelief as they see Bilbo heroically arrive home at BagEnd. Then for the last scene before the credits, I want Gandalf and Balin to knock on the door, and Bilbo to invite them in. Perfect!
[quote="Baron Ironfang":13p7jw5s][quote="Ringdrotten":13p7jw5s]Hehe :lol: I agree with Eldorion, the ending should be like it is in the book. Don't forget about Balin though, Eldo! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:13p7jw5s] You are being too familiar :shock: with your betters; you address him as Sir Eldorion, he has been knighted you know. :roll:[/quote:13p7jw5s] How much is Eldorion paying you for this? <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
[quote="Ringdrotten":2uk8bted]Hehe :lol: I agree with Eldorion, the ending should be like it is in the book. Don't forget about Balin though, Eldo! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:2uk8bted] Good point 8-) - it's been a while since I read TH. [quote="Ally":2uk8bted][quote="Baron Ironfang":2uk8bted]You are being too familiar :shock: with your betters; you address him as Sir Eldorion, he has been knighted you know. :roll:[/quote:2uk8bted] How much is Eldorion paying you for this? <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:2uk8bted] Nothing. :? I actually like the nickname Eldo. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> And all I did to get knighted was lock the Baron in a dungeon, which I [i:2uk8bted]really[/i:2uk8bted] don't get!
Ok. I like Ally's end scene. My idea was just a segway into LOTR with a little Merry and Pip cameo. I got the idea after seeing his MTV interview thingie..... Maybe, in Ally's scene, Balin walks in first as Gandalf turns around and looks into the valley of Hobbiton and says, "Get Ready", then turns and follows Balin in where Balin and Bilbo are already in joyous greeting. The door closes with a close-up on Gandalf's mark. Roll credits....?
wgrolfson1 how would Gandalf know they were going to get involved at all? If PJ had stuck to the book then conceivably this 'ending' could take place right before Gandalf meets Frodo at the start of FotR and after Merry had set up his investigations into the Ring and tried a bit of 'wizard wheedling'. But as Merry and Pippin stand in PJ's version there is no way for Gandalf to have any reason to assume they would become involved. They just go along with Frodo after a chance meeting. For Gandalf to have known that it must have been a preordained event and the physical Gandalf can't see the patterns that clearly. What you have Gandalf saying to Merry and Pippin wgrolfson1, 'Get ready' is to direct and implies he has foreknowledge of what is to come, undermining all the uncertainty he displays afterward. In your revised version with Balin who would Gandalf be saying 'get ready' to? Can't be Merry and Pippin they won't be born for at least 30 more years.
I must say I agree with Petty on this one. I don't see an intro to Merry and Pippin in the Hobbit films, unless it's some sort of weird Flash-forward, and I don't see how even PJ could really pull that off. The best one could hope for is Bilbo telling his story to young Hobbits, possibly including Frodo, Merry, and Pippin, but as kids. [b:2o8ldsz3]GB[/b:2o8ldsz3]
The only other possible way I can think of to get M&P into it, and I mentioned this I think elsewhere, would be if TH story was framed around Bilbo telling this tale whilst he is in Rivendell as an old hobbit after the war but before the Grey Havens. In a similar way in which Tolkien uses in UT Gandalf to tell his version of getting Thorin to Bilbo's door. That's the only way I can think of where you could use the same actors for M&P.
Quite. That's the only logical way to pull it off with the same actors, but I rather think that would undermine the tone of the Hobbit, far more than including the White Council Stuff. Having it as a story told to youngsters would be much more in keeping with the original story--even with the White Council Stuff, which I always wished Tolkien had included. [b:1l43dr64]GB[/b:1l43dr64]
I don't have a problem with the WC stuff as and of itself. It would be good to see it and interesting. But I don't think Tolkien wrote enough detail on the matter to do so without a lot of making stuff up and I don't think it sits well with, and will distract from, the story of Bilbo and the dwarves. I don't think the closing scene that has been suggested here will turn up in the film but I don't think either that the sentiment of it is far wrong. Something which bridges the films in a very blatant manner will most likely be how PJ will wrap it up. It all depends how close to LotR PJ decides to take it. Conceivably he could go all the way up to Gollum leaving in pursuit of Bilbo, being captured and end with Gollum revealing 'Baggins' and 'the Shire' to Sauron. You never know with PJ.
Well, I rather expect a closing scene similar to the opening scene which should "bridge" the films nicely...Bilbo concluding his story to youngsters at a Hobbit Festival, perhaps even a re-filming of the Party scene in which Bilbo does so. At least that's how I would film it. [b:jxl46jyw]GB[/b:jxl46jyw]
... I am having an anxiety attack...
Deep Breaths Odo. :o [b:2s5wa927]GB[/b:2s5wa927]
Anxiety attack, GB! I'm not giving birth...! :x ooh... Sorry... I see what you mean... wasn't thinking straight ... due to my anxiety... :?
What about for the closing scene, is Bilbo back in Bag End, and he absently holds the Ring in hsi hand, and for the first time, it whispers in Black Speech, then roll credits
That would be an interesting transition towards TLOTR, but I think it might be a little too early. The Ring is established as ominous very early in [i:1v02l7ff]Fellowship[/i:1v02l7ff], but it takes a little bit for its true nature to be revealed.
Well considering that the idea for a "bridging" movie has been dropped, I now think the following scenario is most likely (as I recently posted at Narniaweb): [quote:10nnm9vb]In lieu of a bridging film, I expect the following to happen: during the course of the films we see the White Council's meetings, the storming of Dol Guldur and the Necromancer fleeing Mirkwood and the beginnings of Saruman's corruption. Post the Battle of 5 Armies we will see the rapprochement of Thorin and Bilbo. The last proper pre end-credit sequence will have Bilbo finishing the narration of "There and Back Again" as he tells the story to his young nieces and nephews including a young Frodo. Immediately after that, either just before the end credits or during them, we will likely see a montage of events: the reopening of Moria followed by a brief glimpse of frightened fighting Dwarves and a creature of flame, shadow and smoke (presaging the Balrog), a brief scene of Gollum leaving his Misty Mountain caves cutting to a brief scene of Gandalf sending a young Aragorn on the quest to find Gollum (possibly following a brief cut-scene of Aragorn and Arwen--Aragorn would be too young, about 10 years old to include this in the body of the Hobbit films), and the montage finishes with the completion of Sauron's tower and his flaming Eye at the top which as the camera pulls back can be seen as an image in Saruman's Palantir and a now fully corrupted Saruman chuckling. Perhaps followed by Denethor seeing the same image in his palantir. [/quote:10nnm9vb] [b:10nnm9vb]GB[/b:10nnm9vb]
You write as well and as inventively as PJ and the coven GB. :? "Perhaps followed by Denethor seeing the same image in his palantir." Can't see this happening. After all why bother when they couldn't be arsed mentioning it in LotR?
Thanks for the compliment Petty. :mrgreen: I really should look into this "director" business. Never too late to start. And I could use a career change. 8-) [b:qhjqk10u]GB[/b:qhjqk10u]
I find that plausible. <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> Don't give them ideas, GB! We don't know who else might be watching!
[quote="rodu":d0xqnh2u]What about for the closing scene, is Bilbo back in Bag End, and he absently holds the Ring in hsi hand, and for the first time, it whispers in Black Speech, then roll credits[/quote:d0xqnh2u] Not joking, I had a dream about that! It happened a couple years ago, and it still gives me the willies! (it might be a bit graphic, but this is how i remember it) The fellowship was locked in some kind of gas chamber, and Bilbo was standing out side of it. The ring was a black smoke that was telling him to forget his friends and listen to him. Bilbo does, and the fellowship (dies? I'm not sure, but it wasn't good!) and the smoke seeped into his hands. Then he shook it off and walked away. Scary.