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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... y-row.html Cant see this happening.
I used to go on an on about how The Hobbit would be made somehow cause it's guaranteed money in the bank, but it's looking more possible now that it could end up in the junk yard of dead movie projects. And ... I don't really feel sad at the prospect. :|
Think you could be right Eldo (not for the last time) Peter might just throw his hands in the air and say, to hell with it all. :cry: :cry:
PJ is not a poor man. If he throws up his hands because people are asking for a fair deal, good riddance. This may all be for the best. Give it five years and someone may be able to film The Hobbit (either as live action or super-magical animation) as it should be filmed. Not as a Prequel and not as a Re-imagined spectacular aimed at the masses (mainly non-readers!) PJ is a fat cat. Clearly he has forgotten the Little People!
I know for a fact that several actors from LOTR have complained openly about not making much money off the films. In contrast, the films made Peter Jackson rich (plus set him up to other blockbuster films, which made him even richer). I'm not saying that he didn't deserve this money- I'm saying it's fairly obvious that some actors got a raw deal out of filming LOTR. So basically this whole conflict arose, trying to get the best possible deal for non-union NZ actors, and I have no problem with this. But of course that may not the the unions intention, and if that is the case then I am pretty annoyed at the whole thing.
If the workers are getting shafted and PJ and the studio are running off with all the cash and all the glory then fair enough. Much as I love Tolkien I'd rather it not go ahead than its made by exploiting people. Besides this is all still going to plan- the end result will be no PJ and coven, different studio and 1 film sticking to the book minus WC. I have seen it!
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What? This is good news Ringdrotten! Trust in the Tyrant. It only seems like bad news. This is Sam carrying Frodo up the slope of Mount Doom whilst Aragorn leads his army to certain death before the Black Gate, the turning point approaches and good will come from evil. PJ, having succumbed to the lure of the Ring merchandising franchise and set himself up as a new Directorial Dark Lord is trying to exploit his fellow people to secure his grip upon the land of Hollywood and all its gold. He must be cast down!
Isn't this beginning to sound like a "eucatastrophe"? <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
Thank you Balin. I couldn't remember how to spell it! :oops: And settled for the rather lame 'turning-point' but you have discerned my meaning precisely.
I had to look it up! :lol: Yeah turning-point is something PJ might have coined in trying to "improve" Tolkien (something the non-Tolkien masses could revere).
I'm generally a pro-Union kinda guy, but looking at both sides of the story it seems like there is more to this than meets the eye. If you read Peter Jackson's response posted right after the article, a clearly complex picture emerges. It seems to me the Union should be targeting NZ politicians to change the laws, not Jackson and Co. I think they are using The Hobbit production to bring attention to their political/economic points. And rather than attacking the Unions, Jackson and Co. should make the film in NZ and use his Big Shot status to pressure NZ politicians into changing the laws. Why shouldn't "private contractors" have the right to collective bargaining in NZ like they do in the US film industry? Their should be a bit of compromise on both sides. The Union should allow the film to be made and cut a private deal with Jackson that involves him taking up their cause with NZ politicos. [b:284klb8m]GB[/b:284klb8m]
Now, now GB. No need to go complicating things by looking at the issues, or being even handed. PJ is an evil tyrant who is exploiting his own people for financial gain. It makes good copy and it's nice and simple. You'll be expecting to get to the truth of the matter next! :roll:
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":1t39t6hz]It seems to me the Union should be targeting NZ politicians to change the laws, not Jackson and Co. I think they are using The Hobbit production to bring attention to their political/economic points. And rather than attacking the Unions, Jackson and Co. should make the film in NZ and use his Big Shot status to pressure NZ politicians into changing the laws. Why shouldn't "private contractors" have the right to collective bargaining in NZ like they do in the US film industry?[/quote:1t39t6hz] I think the Unions (all of the ones banding together on this) are trying to make a point and get attention for their cause: something of a prerequisite to most campaigns for legal reform. I think the unions have a very good point, especially given all the people who were shafted by the studios after the LOTR production (most of whom were New Zealanders and thus likely not unionized). I think PJ got really carried away with his self-described conspiracy theories.
[quote="Eldorion":rse8vydi][quote="Gandalfs Beard":rse8vydi]It seems to me the Union should be targeting NZ politicians to change the laws, not Jackson and Co. I think they are using The Hobbit production to bring attention to their political/economic points. And rather than attacking the Unions, Jackson and Co. should make the film in NZ and use his Big Shot status to pressure NZ politicians into changing the laws. Why shouldn't "private contractors" have the right to collective bargaining in NZ like they do in the US film industry?[/quote:rse8vydi] I think the Unions (all of the ones banding together on this) are trying to make a point and get attention for their cause: something of a prerequisite to most campaigns for legal reform. I think the unions have a very good point, especially given all the people who were shafted by the studios after the LOTR production (most of whom were New Zealanders and thus likely not unionized). I think PJ got really carried away with his self-described conspiracy theories.[/quote:rse8vydi] I hope Ian McKellen and Cate Blanchette help Jackson see reason. There is clearly room for a compromise if both sides could see it. [b:rse8vydi]GB[/b:rse8vydi]
I'm starting to think that The LOTR franchise is turning into the villian in the story; THE RING! Anyone who possesses it has the power to destroy it or use it, but the ring only has one true master, and he does not share power. So PJ seems to be in a sticky wicket. To some, he's already destroyed it, but now I feel he's trying to use it, which will obviously not turn out well...
more of the same. http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2010/09 ... he-hobbit/
Jackson needs to stand up for the actors. He should swallow his pride and be a hero like Bilbo and Frodo. Only he can carry the Ring to Mt Doom. He is the number one Kiwi director on the Planet. Only he has the muscle to lobby NZ's parliament to change the laws to give NZ Actors parity with their Hollywood Counterparts. [b:223f7y03]GB[/b:223f7y03]
Deja vu, GB. Deja vu... :P