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Oh, the visual fun...and the immersion factor. Absolutely! :mrgreen: I've always been a fan of 3D, even the crap stuff. [b:1sm82g13]GB[/b:1sm82g13]
Even the Jaws 3D? And Friday the 13th 3D (with the cast waving everything and anything straight at the camera)? So basically you agree it doesn't really add anything of substance to a film but you like the effect and the fun of seeing it in 3D? I can understand that if so. Even if I prefer a film to concentrate on other matters more.
I cant wait for the film to come out in any format. Even if I hate it, I will probably love some of the merchandising that will go with it. I loved Avatar on 3D but would never watch it on 2D, the story was a bit poor but 3D made me really enjoy it. I hate poor CGI more than 3D, the worst CGI I can remember is the Bond movie with Halle Berry And Brosnan, with the car skidding scene on the ice shelf, it was really bad. Things that annoy me more are things like: Mel Gibson giving a speech on horseback in Braveheart to make the point that Wallace was not a huge man to accomodate his small stature as an actor and the speech in the 300 when they were saying that the Athenians were lovers of little boys as if they were not as they knew that homophobe Americans would have boycotted the movie if they had portrayed the Spartans as bi, warriors. That is one thing that the 300 had in common with Avatar; both were a bit like party political broadcasts.
[quote="pettytyrant101":1ibl0qqn]Even the Jaws 3D? And Friday the 13th 3D (with the cast waving everything and anything straight at the camera)? So basically you agree it doesn't really add anything of substance to a film but you like the effect and the fun of seeing it in 3D? I can understand that if so. Even if I prefer a film to concentrate on other matters more.[/quote:1ibl0qqn] No, I don't agree that it doesn't add anything of substance to a film. If anything, it can REDEEM an otherwise crap film. :mrgreen: (and adds depth to an otherwise excellent film :P ) [b:1ibl0qqn]GB[/b:1ibl0qqn]
Well Jaws 3D and Friday 13th 3D definitely fall into the crap film category- don't think the 3D redeems them any. If anything it makes them even worse. All it does is add to the badness people pointing things in an unlikely fashion at the camera.
As to 300 Noom I don't think Hollywood, despite its advances over the years, is quite ready in a blockbuster to show King Leonidas giving Dilios a right good seeing to on the eve of battle. Was a bit shameless though to not only ignore that side to their culture but to have them shift (in a disparaging way) such actions onto the Athenians as a slanderous accusation. As for CGI-Aliens 3 has some pretty shoddy early CGI work (a film despite its many flaws I still like more than Camerons Aliens). But I hate bad green screen above all else- Darkman anyone? Anyone?
Darkman was Awesome. :mrgreen: [b:2h7qcydi]GB[/b:2h7qcydi]
I enjoy CGI when... a) it looks real enough that I'm not second guessing during the film (which I thought PJ did pretty well in TT and ROTK, not FOTR) b) it's appropriate (PJ was pretty good about that. He used the miniatures and bigatures) c) it's the only way to depict a non-realistic thing (Gollum, trolls, Balrog- which was pretty awesome, ect.) So I don't have a problem with decent CGI, but anything less than excellent bugs me...
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":n5hzd4b5]Oh, the visual fun...and the immersion factor. Absolutely! :mrgreen: [/quote:n5hzd4b5] This is what I meant about ignoring what I said. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> I posted a fairly long post about why 3D [i:n5hzd4b5]breaks[/i:n5hzd4b5] immersion and you just dropped out of the thread until the discussion had moved on, at which point you continued to insist that you're right. Agree or disagree, you could at least [i:n5hzd4b5]acknowledge[/i:n5hzd4b5] it and maybe even respond. 8-)
Acknowledge....? Mmmm (AntiEldoSpam 2)
Again Eldo, I'm not ignoring your point about "immersion." I just don't have the same problem you have. For you 3D is a distraction, for me it creates MORE immersion in the story, not less. I understand that some of you don't have that experience with it, and I think its a shame that you can't get as much joy out of the 3D experience as I do. [b:27yb4a8s]GB[/b:27yb4a8s]
I fear the whole 3D bubble is a falsehood driven by the desire to make a lot of money rather than nay desire on the part of filmmakers to produce some radical new way of viewing.
[quote="Odo Banks":zeattray]Acknowledge....? Mmmm (AntiEldoSpam 2)[/quote:zeattray] Seriously, Odo? At least when I'm going through I make actual contributions to the serious threads. You're just posting for the sake of upping your postcount. :roll:
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":29wjjt4y]Again Eldo, I'm not ignoring your point about "immersion."[/quote:29wjjt4y] It would have been nice if you could have acknowledged or replied to my last post about it, then. :P
[quote="Eldorion":32gthd3l]I make actual contributions to the serious threads. You're just posting for the sake of upping your postcount. [/quote:32gthd3l] Cynicism? Well, Eldo, I never... You have come down to walk with the Mortals, ha ye?! :shock:
Isn't it amazing how quoting out of context can make people appear to be saying something other than what they actually said? :roll: I did NOT say you never make posts of substance or that I tend to be "better" than you. I said that in [i:n3r6f70v]this case[/i:n3r6f70v] you are not (though after I made that post I read some of your other "AntiEldoSpam" posts that did have substance). Big difference right there. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
I say Thank the Goddess for Odo's Spamalot :P . He really entertains and keeps the forum alive when it gets stuck in the Doldrums. 8-) [b:3g40wz4n]GB[/b:3g40wz4n]
At last, a kind word... <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> (Damn that Grey Pilgrim and his negativity! I for one am glad he's p*##^d off somewhere! He never recognized my innate Beneficence!!! Damn do-gooder! :x )
Ok, this is difficult but here goes- I may have been wrong about 3D. There I've said it. To quantify that it depends on the 3D and I'm not up enough on the differences no know the different sorts. If the 3D style in TH is the same effect as the 3D on 3DTV then I will freely admit to being wrong on this one. Why the change of heart? Well its how its used. As I put above when 3D is used there is a tendency to use it to make things 'come at you'. This is a mistake. What modern 3D is great at is [i:kc2rerf1]not[/i:kc2rerf1] coming at you- its going away from you. Its depth. A friend of mine described it as turning your TV into a window through which you can see far off into the distance. Now using it for depth, that could be amazing in TH given the landscape of ME. So used correctly, not as a gimmick to throw stuff at you, but as a means to create a sense of solidity and depth to the environment I can see that working. Mind, I still don't trust PJ enough not to expect he will botch it and just throw things out the screen for two hours, but I can hope.
Mmm, I've heard the "depth" argument before, particularly in relation to Avatar, but I didn't notice it in the RealD theatre. Unfortunately my experience with 3DTV is limited to five minutes at a store without glasses, so I can't comment there. If I ever get a few thousand dollars to drop on a 3DTV I'll post my thoughts, though. :P
Indeed Petty, Avatar is a good example of a film that demonstrates 3D as not merely coming out of the screen , but receding into it. And by the way, the 3D TV's coming out are all based on the same RealD 3D technology used in theatres. [b:1c5yhorl]GB[/b:1c5yhorl]
Thanks for the tech info GB I wasn't certain if they were the same system. But on his track record do you really believe PJ will be able to use the technology with restraint and finesse? I suspect not- it will all be coming out at you. Dragons, eagles, bats, arrows, spears- you name it PJ will throw it at us with all the restraint of a sugar addicted kid in a sweet shop.
I love sweets. :mrgreen: [b:3cxhfjha]GB[/b:3cxhfjha]
What was that 3D camera PJ always lost??? I recall he had one while filming LOTR. What was that for???
ide gowonna long kwest ta sea yor noze in treedee, Tinnooveel! ( :? zatz iv i noo wat tree dee waz dat iz shorr itz nyce :? )
[quote="Biffo Banks":128bhqga]ide gowonna long kwest ta sea yor noze in treedee, Tinnooveel! ( :? zatz iv i noo wat tree dee waz dat iz shorr itz nyce :? )[/quote:128bhqga] Took the words right out of my mouth :lol:
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