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http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2010/12/09/ ... he-hobbit/ Dont think i agree with this. Fans of the film might like it, but fans of the book.......? All thou i love the films i dont think bringing back legolas is right. Maybe its just to please the females :roll:
Noticed you have already commented on the site , Eldorion (is that your real picture?)
Needless to say, I'm less than thrilled. :P A cameo would be fine and maybe even a bit cool, but according to [url=http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/orlando-bloom-close-to-legolas-reprise-in-the-hobbit/:2xru68p4]Deadline[/url:2xru68p4], who broke the story, it's going to be more than that. chris - yes, that's a (very small) picture of me in real life. It's attached to my Wordpress account, so it shows up whenever I post on a Wordpress-powered blog. I was trying to reply to the first guy but either I pushed the wrong button or there was an error, because it showed up at the bottom of the comment list.
Do excuse me for a minute. I'm just going to nip outside and shoot myself!
Don't worry so much Petty, the secret is in the merchandising; we could collect the purist figurines and film a purist version ourselves. I want a Beorn on my mantlepiece and a Smaug in flying position dangling below my lampshade :lol:
Gimli too? I think it should happen. And a Balrog (for continuity). It could be hiding behind a rock...
Actually, a small cameo in the Elven King's Halls would not be an outrage -- but a bigger role? :shock: :x
Well, it doesn't say anywhere in the Hobbit that Legolas [i:2u89g1gv]doesn't [/i:2u89g1gv] lead Thranduil's army 8-) I wouldn't mind Legolas having a bigger role in the film(s) to be honest, I think it would be quite cool <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> Not as the General, but perhaps as second in command or something.
Legolas in Thranduils halls. Legolas taking part in the Battle of Five Armies- not unacceptable. Although he should just be there- he does not need a speaking part- almost all the scenes set in Thranduils halls takes place in the dungeons and cellars after all. But this is 'no self control PJ' so expect to see Legolas' single-handed defeat of Smaug by roller skating down his neck to stab him in his vulnerables, ending with Smaug plummeting into Lake Town destroying everything and a young Gimli popping up to say "That still only counts as one." It all gets worse and worse the more we hear. I grow sick and weaker with each new announcement! Maybe PJ is trying to kill me.
[quote="pettytyrant101":1kin9djt] But this is 'no self control PJ' so expect to see Legolas' single-handed defeat of Smaug by roller skating down his neck to stab him in his vulnerables, ending with Smaug plummeting into Lake Town destroying everything and[b:1kin9djt] the whole Dwarven army shouting[/b:1kin9djt] "That still only counts as one." [/quote:1kin9djt] That's more like it <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
As Odo might say Ringdrotten 'Don't give them ideas!' You never know who is reading. :? Sadly I wish I could put my hand on my heart and say that my comment was just satire- but I have a dreadful fear that it will be uncomfortably close to the sort of rubbish we can expect from PJ and the Coven.
I wish I could have hope like Ringdrotten, but I really don't think that PJ could give Legolas a bigger role yet refrain from having him be showboat and distract even further from the real story. :?
I agree completely Eldo- PJ does not do subtle. And the Coven can't write Tolkien- which is my biggest concern. Just think in these films every word of the WC stuff, every line of dialogue spoken by Elrond, Saruman, Radagast, Galadriel, Gandalf will be [b:2phe3qw9]completely[/b:2phe3qw9] made up- relying solely upon the Covens writing skill- its going to be bloody awful. They only got away with it in LotR because they could drop some genuine Tolkien dialogue in that we all recognized- for this there is no genuine dialogue. My fear for these films grows daily.
And there's me thinking things can't get worse! :shock: (Mind you, Gimli crying out that Smaug is only worth one has a kind of Pythonesque charm. :lol: )
:roll: Don't you start Odo!
[quote="pettytyrant101":15yteu31]Legolas in Thranduils halls. Legolas taking part in the Battle of Five Armies- not unacceptable. Although he should just be there- he does not need a speaking part- almost all the scenes set in Thranduils halls takes place in the dungeons and cellars after all. [color=#00BF00:15yteu31]Hard to believe that if he is there, he won't have a big part - This is Orlando Blooom we're talking about !! :roll: [/color:15yteu31] But this is 'no self control PJ' so expect to see Legolas' single-handed defeat of Smaug by roller skating down his neck to stab him in his vulnerables, ending with Smaug plummeting into Lake Town destroying everything and a young Gimli popping up to say "That still only counts as one." :x :x [color=#00BF00:15yteu31]Stop !!![/color:15yteu31] It all gets worse and worse the more we hear. I grow sick and weaker with each new announcement! Maybe PJ is trying to kill me.[/quote:15yteu31] :lol: :lol: [color=#00FF00:15yteu31]Perhaps his minnions have been on here searching you out! Someones told him about you and your less than flattering comments i'd say !![/color:15yteu31] :? I fear the worst here. The white council I have accepted, will be in, so no point stressing. But Legolas, Merry, Pippin, Drogo, Mrs Baggins!!! What will they all say? with no material to work with... oh, wait a minute, (penny drops) - step forward PJ girls, with the new IMPROVED Hobbit!... (apologies for re-usng your lack of script point Petty) I'm sure they will come up with something even the great erm... whatsisname?... Tolkien or something never thought of! That's a relief then!!! I jest of course, although I'm sure PJ would love to have Bloom dominating the trailers! get the fangirls in! Of course the true Tolkien female fans won't need him, but what of the average teen girl who hasn't read the book? Is that what this is about? Otherwise, why bother? It's just another chunk of the budget that could surely be better used! I've read The Hobbit.... Legolas isn't in it!!! <img src='/images/smileys/vevil.gif' border='0' alt='Very Evil Smilie' />
I guess the movie must bear a relationship to the LotR movies. If Legolas is in it, I imagine he won't have as big a part as in those movies because it will probably be a big negative to reveal too much about him. Surely if he plays too big a part, Frodo will have known about him. In the LotR movie he is a stranger to the hobbits at first, isn't he?
[quote="HenrySmith":1f61ztmt]I guess the movie must bear a relationship to the LotR movies. If Legolas is in it, I imagine he won't have as big a part as in those movies because it will probably be a big negative to reveal too much about him. Surely if he plays too big a part, Frodo will have known about him. [b:1f61ztmt][i:1f61ztmt]In the LotR movie he is a stranger to the hobbits at first, isn't he?[/i:1f61ztmt][/b:1f61ztmt][/quote:1f61ztmt] Or is he? <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> There's no real indication that he's a complete stranger to all the Hobbits. Bilbo would certainly have known of Legolas (he hung around Thranduil's halls long enough to know who was who, whether openly stated in the Hobbit or not). [b:1f61ztmt]GB[/b:1f61ztmt]
On reflection, I do see your point, GB, and maybe you're right. In theory, Legolas could play a large role. You've made me think, I can tell you that. He is an elf prince, son of Thandruil. Why not have a biggish part, at least in the lead up and during the Battle of Five Armies? And he is a cutie (curse you Miranda Kerr! :lol: ):-Jane
[quote="HenrySmith":jvmnusfs]I guess the movie must bear a relationship to the LotR movies. [/quote:jvmnusfs] I don't think they will need him for that! There are a few things already linking the two, Gandalf, Bilbo, the ring - And i'm fairly sure they will find plenty of other ways to LOTRize the Hobbit.. unfortunately!! :cry: I just feel that, if they do include him, the temptation to overkill it might be too much for PJ & co given Blooms popularity! Best leave him out i'd say!.. As Tolkien did. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Finally some sanity Hail. Of course you are right, no to Legolas, it would just be an unnecessary distraction. As to the idea that Legolas was known to Bilbo and the hobbits I quote his introduction at the Council of Elrond; 'There was also a [b:1sg0vc60]strange[/b:1sg0vc60] Elf clad in green and brown, Legolas, a messenger from his father, Thranduil, the King of the Elves of Northern Mirkwood.' There is no hint here that Legolas is known to any of the hobbits. The night before the Council Frodo has a long talk with Gloin, catching up, not with Legolas who doesn;t get a mention prior to the Council. And the use of the word 'strange' to describe him would indicate he was unknown to all the hobbits. In TH itself there are very few occasions to feature Legolas. During the period spent in elven captivity Bilbo wearing the Ring slips out a few times when the King goes hunting, and they are brought before the King once, but apart from that the action all takes place in the dungeons and cellars. The wine cellar elves have more dialogue than the King, let alone adding the Kings son. I just dont see what narrative purpose Legolas would have here save to waste film time.
[quote="pettytyrant101":32fv7jj1]As to the idea that Legolas was known to Bilbo and the hobbits I quote his introduction at the Council of Elrond; 'There was also a strange Elf clad in green and brown, Legolas, a messenger from his father, Thranduil, the King of the Elves of Northern Mirkwood.'[/quote:32fv7jj1] This was what I must have been thinking of in my earlier post, but after GB's persuasion, I don't belive it an important enough detail to trouble ourselves over, especially as we are talking about a [i:32fv7jj1]LotR Movies [/i:32fv7jj1]prequel, where it can't be an issue. GB is right of course, a view I hold more strongly the more I think about it:-Jane
I think you might be wearing a frock that's too tight for you, Jane - could be cutting off the circulation to your brain. Here to help! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
[quote="HenrySmith":39t28hlz]This was what I must have been thinking of in my earlier post, but after GB's persuasion, I don't belive it an important enough detail to trouble ourselves over, especially as we are talking about a [i:39t28hlz]LotR Movies [/i:39t28hlz]prequel, where it can't be an issue. GB is right of course, a view I hold more strongly the more I think about it:-Jane[/quote:39t28hlz] I have to agree that it's not a big deal, at least, so long as they don't make him really showboaty or a scene-stealer. I don't really have any issue with a Legolas cameo so long as he stays more or less in the background. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> There are bigger fish to fry when it comes to changes, anyway. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
[quote="Odo Banks":45q2mty8]I think you might be wearing a frock that's too tight for you, Jane - could be cutting off the circulation to your brain. Here to help! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:45q2mty8] Tsk, tsk, your respectability seems to be slipping. :ugeek: :P
Odo can be quite a redneck at times. He is from Rushock Bog, isn't he? A tiny place south of the small village of Needlehole, I see by the map. I would suppose lady hobbits would know their place there. Fancy if a "girlie" girl such as me dared have an opinion in that small remote spot? Oh how scandalous:-Jane <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
"Tsk, tsk, your respectability seems to be slipping."- Eldo That wiil be why he lost his title in the awards! :lol:
As to Legolas I agree Eldo its not going to be the biggest liberty that will be taken, but I just don't see the point of bringing half the cast of LotR into this. Besides its PJ, a man with the directors equivelent of tourettes (except instead of swearing its CGI), if Legolas is there he will make a scene stealing song and dance about it, PJ can't help himself. We will not get a subtle cameo where Legolas is just there on the hunt or standing by his fathers throne, if you took the word 'subtle' had it carved in stone a hundred feet tall, painted pink and lit with neon in the ultimate attempt at irony, it would still be too subtle for PJ to notice.
I fear Legolas will have to win a drinking contest against Gloin in Thandruil's Halls, kill a giant Orc at the Battle of Five Armies (probably Golfimbul's much-bigger brother), and, fulfilling current girl-friendly forum trends, do so in a tight fitting tunic, with even tighter leggings to show off his thighs and calves, and plenty of close ups of his lovely blue (or green, or hazel? :? )) eyes - looking toward Isengard, perhaps? :x
[quote="Odo Banks":d4swtg7i]I fear Legolas will have to win a drinking contest against Gloin in Thandruil's Halls, kill a giant Orc at the Battle of Five Armies (probably Golfimbul's much-bigger brother), and, fulfilling current girl-friendly forum trends, do so in a tight fitting tunic, with even tighter leggings to show off his thighs and calves, and plenty of close ups of his lovely blue (or green, or hazel? :? )) eyes - looking toward Isengard, perhaps? :x[/quote:d4swtg7i] Yes please! Us fangirls will be so happy! Who want's to look at an ageing Hobbit, an ancient Wizard, and quite a few short dwarfs, when you can look upon the visual feast that is Legolas, or Orlando! Oh, Orlando! I imagine he was quite busy though; running around all the time doing whatever, he must have gotten pretty dirty...how about a whole scene devoted to Legolas washing? :P
Perhaps we should not go too far, Ally, after all I am fond of Bilbo and Gandalf; but I certainly would enjoy seeing Legolas doing the washing. A handsome elf who washes his own clothes? The perfect Man???:-Jane
[quote="HenrySmith":172h3v9d]Perhaps we should not go too far, Ally, after all I am fond of Bilbo and Gandalf; but I certainly would enjoy seeing Legolas doing the washing. A handsome elf who washes his own clothes? The perfect Man???:-Jane[/quote:172h3v9d] Let's not get too carried away Jane... :lol: Sadly these types of men don't exist (even if you find a good one, they still have some faults) so I'm all for dating an Elf. p.s Maybe Bilbo, Gandalf and Legolas can all wash together in a stream, then take their clothes off and wash them too! I'm getting faint just thinking about it!
Perhaps a [i:1qgltc2r]younger[/i:1qgltc2r] Bilbo and Gandalf might be better then:-Jane :shock:
Bilbo- just turned 33 (It would be weird, thinking those things when he isn't even of age!) Gandalf- He'd look good whatever his age! Probably... I think even PettyTyrant can see these as necessary changes!
Impossible for Petty to disagree, I would think. After all, he does seem to rely ever so much on logic --- [i:g5yf401u]his[/i:g5yf401u] logic... :lol: :-Jane
"Maybe Bilbo, Gandalf and Legolas can all wash together in a stream, then take their clothes off and wash them too!"- Ally That's an image I never wanted and fear I may never be rid of. :shock: You should put warnings up before imagery like that Ally!! "he does seem to rely ever so much on logic --- his logic"-Jane By that you seem to be preposing the preposterous notion that there is some other sort of logic!
You make me wonder, Petty: is there "Men's" logic and "Women's" logic. Or is there? What if Arwen were seen washing her clothes in a stream? Would you insist that scene not be in the Hobbit Movies?:-Jane
"What if Arwen were seen washing her clothes in a stream? Would you insist that scene not be in the Hobbit Movies?"-Jane Of course!! Arwen in TH ludicrous! As ludicrous as Legolas being there in fact.
"Ludicrous"? Isn't that a little extreme, even for you? To take the minimalist approach, wouldn't a cameo be okay - sitting at Thandruil's feast, or being shown swinging a sword at the Battle of Five Armies? That surely wouldn't be "ludicrous". (The nude clothes-washing scene might then be left as an out-take? For the fangirls, if you know what I mean. :lol: ):-Jane
I'm not sure who's being silly in this thread and who is serious, but I have to agree with Petty on Arwen. It's plausible to imagine Legolas being in Mirkwood, but there's no indication that Arwen even visited Mirkwood. And even Peter Jackson realized that having her fight in a battle was a bad idea. :x All just my (humble) opinion, of course. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> :P
If there must be a Legolas cameo :roll: , let it be as Jane says 'sitting at Thandruils feet' - a one poster deal, end of story! Seems a bit of a waste having him there just for the sake of it! Adding things just 'because they can'...Again!!! I'd rather that though, than perhaps PJ saving himself the trouble of casting Bard and having Bloom do his part instead! :shock: :shock: :cry: With luck maybe Orlando will be away that weekend !! :lol:
Arwen could have a cameo in Rivendell though <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> I'm not going to complain if I "have" to watch a film with Liv Tyler in it <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> However, a cameo only, no more than that. No Arwen in the Battle of Five Armies, please!
Perhaps a painting of her then :roll: Come to that, lets have Elronds rooms littered with pics of the LotR cast! Save a few bucks and get the fans faves in! :lol:
i'll need to check the Tale of Years but got a hunch Arwen is in Lothlorien during this time period. Her being in the background would not be a disaster however, same for Legolas. But I have no confidence in either PJ's ability to leave it at that, or the studios willingness to pay for the actors if all they are going to do is stand in the background. So I'd prefer it if they left the cast of TH as is in the book thnakyou very much. This shoehorning people from LotR into it is getting silly now.
[quote="pettytyrant101":2o5ydi5o]i'll need to check the Tale of Years but got a hunch Arwen is in Lothlorien during this time period. [/quote:2o5ydi5o] I think that is correct. I wasn't very serious about it though, just an idea <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
You have certainly ran with the "Arwen" idea everyone! :lol: But now she has been mentioned, why not have her at Rivendell? Like Legolas, she need not have a large role, but she could easily be included. Petty, I don't think it's absolutely certain she was at in Lothlorien at the time of Bilbo's adventure. I believe I read somewhere that she lived there for many years - but when did she go? And did she ever visit Rivendell while living at Lothlorien? Also, remember the LotR films had differences to the books, surely there is no reason to think that a few additions can't be made to The Hobbit movies and no harm done:-Jane
"surely there is no reason to think that a few additions can't be made to The Hobbit movies and no harm done"- Jane Thats exactly the sort of thinking that led to the worst excess of the LotR films. It starts off small, lets just have them in the background, then its, well they might as well have a few lines seeing as they are there, then its, well why not have them invovled in the story a bit, and next thing Legolas is killing Smaug and the Arwen and Aragorn story is reduced to some teen romance where they sneak about behind Elronds back! I feel ill just contemplating it. When will the more liberal elements on here accept that PJ cannot do subtle, or background? Its not in his nature.
Darn tootin', Mr Tyrant --- darn tootin'! Why are some people so blind? :roll:
This from todays Sun newspaper; 'Orlando Bloom will earn more than a million dollars for a two minute appearence in the Hobbit movie.' The good news here is the 2 minute bit (even if thats roughly 1min 59.9sec more than necessary), BUT A MILLION DOLLARS? Come off it, he's not worth that. Far more worryingly however was this bit of news; Orlando joins LotR co-stars Elijah Wood and [b:b64x9tb4]Dominic Monaghan[/b:b64x9tb4] in signing up for the project. What?! Merry in TH- I feel some right solid crabittness coming on.
I'm beginning to feel your pain, Petty. It seems like Jackson is doing all he can to bring back as many of the LotR crew as possible. Galadriel and Legolas, fair enough. Frodo, a doubtful OK. Merry? Of course it makes sense to show Frodo and Merry (possibly Sam and Pippin as well if this Merry bit is true) together, but it's just getting silly now :?
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