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Posted by Morgoththebest on 12/03/02
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Now that i have your attention i would like to know how anyone could have broken into Thandrogrim i mean if Baradur was so impeneratrable then how could anyone break into Thandrogrim. I still think that a wooden gate is funny. HA a wooden gate well there is the Gondolinians for ya ha


Thangorodrim was broken into by a powerful elf maiden enchantress - Luthien. rrI suppose Galadriel could have done the same with Barad-dur, but what would it achieve? The one ring was the crux of the whole war. Breaking in to the dark tower would not have gotten the ring destroyed.rrrWooden Gate is kind of funny, but I dont think the Gondolithrim were ever really expecting to be invaded. They probably used wood for aesthetic reasons, elves being the hopeless arty types that they are.
And being prejudiced against hiring dwarves to make them a stone or iron gate, they just decided to go with dead tree, a material they knew how to work. Big Smile Smilie
Ok... I get the funny part in your reply Grondy Big Smile Smilie But they were Noldor so they had pretty much experience with metals and such... :P
*breathes a sigh of relief* I thought this was gonna turn into the paradox of "Elvis is still alive!!! I saw him at the gas station!!!" to "Tolkien's alive!! I saw him while I was putting on my ears!"

...I still think the thing w/ the door was just for kicks. =)

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[Edited on 18/1/2003 by Rednell]
Elves are too proud to hire Dwarves, who are an "inferior race due to their manners". The Noldor should know better.

[Edited on 19/1/2003 by Tar-Aldarion]
At the end of The War of Wrath, the Armies of Good broke in Thangorodrim all right, and Morgoth got kicked from his throne and put in chains.

But this came after Thangorodrim was broken because Ancalagon the Black - the flying dragon - fell on the 3 peaks of Thangorodrim after Eärendil killed him.... heavy!
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"inferior race due to their manners".


I“ll kick some elven buttn if I hear them say that.....I doubt that the Noldor would have the courage of bad talking my precious Khazād in front of me.....hehhee.....But Angband sucked....I would“ve easily marched in there and put Bauglir in chains....wait....I didTongue Smilie hehehe

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But this came after Thangorodrim was broken because Ancalagon the Black - the flying dragon - fell on the 3 peaks of Thangorodrim after Eärendil killed him.... heavy!


No kidding V.....Ancalagon must“ve been really huge to break all three of them....and a heavy bloke tooTongue Smilie
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No kidding V.....Ancalagon must“ve been really huge to break all three of them....and a heavy bloke too Tongue Smilie
Yeah, that was back:
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... when heroes were Real Heroes, and dragons were Real Dragons, and small furry hobbits from Alpha Centauri were really small furry hobbits from Anduin Vale whose descendents had not yet crossed the Mountains of Mistiness. - Grondy with help from Douglas Adams Elk Grinning Smilie
Eyy Grond? Orc Going Huh Smilie I did not get that.....
I didn't quite get what this post is about, but what the h***! I couldn't help myself when I've seen what you've said, Aule! The Noldor have no match among Eru's Children and they certainly aren't afraid of the Khazad! And, if my memory doesn't play tricks on me, they did work together in several occasions, for the wealthfare of both parts: Caranthir's people and the Dwarves from Nogrod and Belegost, as well as Celebrimbor's smiths and the great people of Khazad-dum! Let's not forget that they had a common enemy - Morgoth Bauglir - whom they hated alike (well, almost "alike"; the Noldor did have a bigger problem with him! hehe).

So, let there be peace between these people, for they much too long strived one with another!

Namarie! (I'm sorry, I don't know how to say it in Khuzdul! Feel free to give me a hand, if you like ...)

P.S.: Ooops, almost forget it: the Noldor do have a lot to thank you for, Aule! So, THANKS!!!!!!!
So this thread isn't a little theory proving Tolkien could be alive, yeah maybe his ancestors!! Just wondering did you use that title just to get people to read the thread?? Just kidding!!
is he dead......................................... i forgot Exploding Head Smilie
Tolkien should have been put into cryogenic freezing like Walt Disney. Sad Smilie
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Tolkien should have been put into cryogenic freezing like Walt Disney. Sad Smilie
For what? So they can thaw him out, reconstitute him, and subject him to the torture of viewing that which has been done to his wonderfull stories? Shaking Head Smilie
I NOT (joke)
I don't think mr Walt Disney would be too pleased to see what they have done to HIS life work either.. Let them rest in peace. Sad Smilie
Yeah. And I'm sure TOlkien wouldn't want to come back from where he is just to see Jackson's eeeeew stuff and all the people at my school who ask me why te heck is that weird name on my copy of TLOTR, if Jackson wrote it.
I think that he would be furious to cristopher for publishing silmarillion.....
Firstly as already mentioned The Elves and the Dwarves worked together on many occasions, even the Noldor. Perhaps the most famous case of a Dwarf/Elf work was the building of Mengroth which Elu Thingol asked the Dwarves of the Ered Luin to build for him in return for the knowledge Melian taught them and the jewels from Valinor.

Secondly Tolkien wanted the Silmarillion published. He wanted all his unfinsihed works published. Why do you think he made Christopher his writing heir in the first place???
"Yeah. And I'm sure TOlkien wouldn't want to come back from where he is just to see Jackson's eeeeew stuff and all the people at my school who ask me why te heck is that weird name on my copy of TLOTR, if Jackson wrote it."

What on earth, you are joking right, just joking?" The kids around my little valley city all know who Tolkien is and what he wrote, in fact they all seem quite fanatic about Jackson being true to the minutest detail to what JRR wrote.(So there was quite the furor about the Rohirrim and the white city animosity thing which never existed. Now why did he do that. It still upsets me.) A cult thing really.Kids copies of the LOTR are all dog eared and worn from them checking line after line. It is quite fascinating.

And as for Tolkien being frozen until a later date, that would absolutely shock and horrify him I am sure. For one thing, he would not be lying next to his beloved Luthien in peace. And for another with his deep Catholic faith I am quite certain this would be something he would oppose with all his heart.
Amen to Leelee's last paragraph above. Jumping Flame Smilie
i don't think that if tolkien was alive he would like the films very much 'cause there's quite a lot of difference between the book and the film. whoever heard of elves from lothlorien fighting in helm deep and haldir being dead???? and also the last chapters being omitted such as the scouring of the shire and sariman's death!!!!

in my opinion he would most likely kill jackson if he came back....... Big Laugh Smilie

....though the films are good to watch....
You aren't by any chance in real estate are you? Smile Smilie
I cannot believe I fell for this and opened this thread up thinking that some looney tune wrote an article that he is in fact living with Elvis in Silicon Valley.
In our want adverts here there is a real estate agent that always gets people to look at her ads by writing Elvis found alive or stuff like that. I HATE THOSE adverts. Just because of that when I buy a new house she is out.
I find this thread interesting. I don't know much about the subject at hand and am eager to learn.
If tolkien would be alive how old would he be?
He was born in 1892 AD. You do the math.
really? I thought he was born in 1892 BC. =P
No, that was his forefather, J.R.R. Amenhotep.
yeps tolkien was born in 1892 and died in 1973. he would ave been 114 today if i'm not wrong.

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in 1992 to comemorate his 100th birthday the Tolkien Society and the Mythopoeic Soceity planted two trees in a park at Oxford as a memorial to him.
That's it, that is all they did. For someone that is revered and has so many cult followings, it does not seem like he has that much done in his honor since his death.I read somewhere on this forum that even his gravesight was not visited all that much nor tended to.
I hope I am completely wrong.
Leelee,

Here's the link to Valedhelgwath's site http://www.freewebs.com/valedhelgwath/index.htm.
You can look there for the photo of Val at Tolkien's grave. It seems well-tended to me. But it is modest and unpretentious. Just like our dear Professor.

Gandalf
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For someone that is revered and has so many cult followings, it does not seem like he has that much done in his honor since his death.

Well, three faithful, unpretentious movie adaptations were made in the Professor's honour.
Well would you have his tomb be turned in a pilgrimage spot where thousands of people would come and ruin his peace?
AAAccckkk!!!! Perish the thought, let's keep his resting place low key. Please. Happy Elf Smilie
Exactly my point grondy! Since he lives in our thoughts then why the hype about not visiting his tomb?