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I have to agree, i think Moria was the bit that first really dragged me into the book, and was by far the best portrayed bit in the movie.
Would have loved to have seen Khazad-dum in its glory.Big Smile Smilie

[Edited on 7/4/2002 by Allyssa]
And me with you! It's like the skwerl said, Moria is the first chapter in the book that gets you into the story, it kinda sets the tone for the rest... It was a wonderful passing, and well-portrayed in the movie. One of my favs too, together with the Old forest, of course... Big Smile Smilie
Moria is great but I am surprised that ONLY then you felt drawn in the story! I was drawn already when the first Black Reader appeared and started to sniff turning his head from side to side... and what about the Old Forest, and the Barrow Wights?
Yeah, it was starting to work then, but it took Moria for me to be unable to put the d*mn thing down for 2 days.
Oh Plastic,
I will tell you now a really horrible story!
A story of anguish, temptation, and final fall... and then a horrible (although well deserved!) punishment.
When I first read the FOTR I was 14, JRTT books were still a curiosity and nobody knew anything about them!
After having finished with FOTR (which I found on a bookshelf of my grandmother, of all places!!!!), I wanted to go on and then during several months (!!!) I could not get it!
JUST IMAGINE THAT!!! (My grandma lost her copy - somebody borrowed it and did not return...)
And during all that time ROTK was wating waiting waiting on my grandma's bookshelf and it was so tempting that finally I could not resist any longer and I read ROTK WITHOUT having read TT first!
Well I can only tell in my defense that I resisted during SEVERAL MONTHS before my final fall!!! Can you imagine this?
If you are not weeping now, your heart is verily made of a hard stone!
Oh you poor Earthling. I only had to wait two weeks to find a copy of The Two Towers and felt hard done by, but you, you had to wait months. Oh, the agony. Now we know why your poor psyche is so bent? Big Smile Smilie Just kidding. Wink Smilie
IS my psyche bent????????
HOW GREAT!!!!
I never realised this - thank you Grondy for that revelation! Big Smile SmilieBig Smile SmilieBig Smile Smilie
Man! That is the saddest thing I ever heard. :sad That must be like never getting to see Return of the Jedi and thinking that Han stays frozen in carbonite forever.
WHAT??????????? han gets freed????????????????




ok ok.. im kidding.. I only read all the tolkien books starting this past summer.. had only heard of the Hobbit, till i saw the trailer for LotR at the 13 days movie

waited a few months, and bought FotR at a bookstore while on vacation, for somethng to read... and been rediculously hooked ever since!
:grin rofl, very good Gimli...
Eryan: I pity you... I got my hands on my brother's one volume copy, so I never had problems with missing books... Big Smile Smilie

I was hooked on Tolkien since I read the hobbit! That made me read FotR, then TTT, then RotK, and now I even bought the Sil and Unfinished tales! :boom
My very first Tolkien book was "Farmer Giles of Ham" and it left me quite cool... Only after having read FOTR I got really crazy. Before, my favourite book was Karl May "Winnetou" about a young Redskin Indian Winnetou and his Paleface friend, a German railway engineer, Old Shatterhand...
I don't remember having a real favourite book before I read Tolkien. Curious, innit? Wink Smilie
Talking about having to wait a while to read the next book in a series... I got into Katherine Kerr's Deverry series a few years ago, thinking there were only four of them. Then a fifth popped up, followed by a sixth... Anyway, not long ago I read the eleventh (having been waiting for the next one each time since the fifth). For the first time, in the front of the last one, she's had the heart to let her readers know it is a thirteen book series. With about a year between each one, I've only got another two years to wait before I get to know what happens. It had better be good.

Oh, and to get back on topic, if any of you didn't know, I've just completed a short story about Balin's ill-fated expedition to Moria. Hopefully Taz will put it in the fan writing section. Failing that, anyone who wants a copy, let me know.
I do, I do. Big Smile Smilie
It took me forever to finish the series the first time...I read FotR when I was like 9, then was bored out of my mind through the TT...didn't finish the whole series for a good 3 or 4 years. Completely hooked once I got through it though Big Laugh Smilie

Val, if Taz doesn't put up your story, email it to me pretty please Smile Smilie
Your wish is my command, ladies. Hope you enjoy. Smile Smilie
I only just got it, so you'll have to be patient. Big Smile Smilie I'm curious already! Read Smilie
I got through the first page then got called for dinner...I'll finish it up sometime this weekend Smile Smilie
I'd love a copy Val! How can I get it from you??????? Cool Smilie
By asking him and giving him your e-mail address... Animated Wink Smilie

I read both your stories and I must say they're amazingly good! I really enjoyed the read! Read Smilie
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I liked the Cave Troll too, even though he (or she?) wasn't suppose to be there.
Why wasn't it supposed to be there, Inderjit?
From the Chamber of Mazarbul, Gandalf looked into the hall and a flash from his staff showed him the following:
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'There are Orcs, very many of them,' he said. 'And some are large and evil: black Uruks of Mordor. For the moment they are hanging back, but there is something else there. A great cave-troll, I think, or more than one. There is no hope of escape that way. - From Book II of FOTR, about 1/3 into Chapter 5 entitled 'The Bridge of Khazad-dŻm.
I added the bold to highlight Tolkien's words.
Yes inderjitsanghera, in Tolkien's book it is the 'huge orc-chieftain' who skewers Frodo.
Well I'd be damned if I know what to say.You guys seems to have a comlepte knowledge of LOTR(which is great).As for Moria I would say that I liked it very much without th part Gandalf fell Very Sad Smilie
ahem....... could we be any more off topic.. Tongue Smilie


thats ok though.. as for Khazad-dum... I have a question... as its so dark in there... should dwarves have very good eyesite as well? to rival elves even...
I have always assumed (and most of this comes from Middle Earth Roleplaying rather than what I have read in Tolkien's works) that Dwarves can see very well in the gloomy darkness of their underground halls, although they do need some light to see in. For this light they either had lanterns or cleverly used natural seams of clear quartz to carry sunlight though the rocks.

Although they were able to see well in dark conditions, Dwarven and Elven eyesight were different, however. The elves were said to be able to see in starlight as well as a man could see in daylight, which is similar to the Dwarves, but in addition, elves seem to possess enhanced vision over distance. I think for spotting objects in the distance, elves would be a lot better than dwarves.
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Although they were able to see well in dark conditions, Dwarven and Elven eyesight were different, however. The elves were said to be able to see in starlight as well as a man could see in daylight, which is similar to the Dwarves, but in addition, elves seem to possess enhanced vision over distance. I think for spotting objects in the distance, elves would be a lot better than dwarves.
While in places like Khazad-dŻm a Dwarf needed to be able to pick out the gemstones and veins of ore from amongst the walls of granite and limestone.

(Okay you won't find gems in limestone, only shells, but I still think I made my point that Dwarves have excellent mid-range vision necessary to mine.)
I would have liked to see Khazad-dŻm...But I think I would have liked to see it in its gloomy state as Moria, also. The emptiness would be seductive, luring me in. The lights would just be too d*mn bright 4 me. Anyway, I'd like to see Moria in its shadowy, flaming state to show how an entire city of awesome power can fall to ruin. The darkness and fire would be breathtaking to me, but I don't know if anyone else would be able to appreciate my...revelations. Shaking Head Smilie

[Edited on 8/7/2003 by Arcormacolindůva]
After I saw Khazad-dum in its decayed state as Moria, I'd like to see a vision of its former glory just so I could admire the handiwork of the Dwarves in its natural state rather than after it had been looted and defaced by the Orcs.
I suppose you're right; I too would have liked to see Khazad-dŻm in its glory. (That's probably why I trekked to some caverns in Virginia in hope of seeing some, um...caverns? Though Casarrondo was much more than a bunch of caverns; it was an immense city.
Khaz‚d-DŻm at the peak of itīs glory...what a wonderful sight that would be....Seeing the khaz‚ds living in peace and harmony.....what a bliss! but now it is gone....it can never be what it once was Sad Smilie
Take solace though, Aule, in the knowledge that by the time of LotR, Khazad-dum was the oldest realm still remaining in Middle Earth. As a realm, it even predated Lorien and Mirkwood.
Haha! I was waiting 4 this... AulŽ, tsk tsk tsk. You created the Dwarves and their language, and you can't even get a word right? Tsk. Here's a refresher course. Lol.

[url=http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/khuzdul.htm] Ha!

Khaz‚ds? Never heard that b4. I know, I'm a language stickler... J/kl, just lol. Big Smile Smilie
Misspelt where?? I was under the impression that it was spelt Khaz‚d-DŻm...or Khaz‚d-Dum....I canīt remember....but Khaz‚d is the name for dwarves in their own language.....but my excuse is that I canīt reveal TOO MUCH of the language my dear Khaz‚ds keep so secret in reverence to meBig Smile Smilie Smoke Smilie
I'm no expert on languages, but to me there appears nothing wrong with Khazad. It was the Dwarvish name for themselves in their own tongue, Khuzdul.
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I'm no expert on languages, but to me there appears nothing wrong with Khazad. It was the Dwarvish name for themselves in their own tongue, Khuzdul.
This comes from the Index at the end of The Silmarillion.

"Khaz‚d" equals "Dwarves" See Gimil's battle-cry at the Hornburg, which is translated about six lines above section 'II On Translation' in Appendix F at end of RotK. as
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Baruk Khaz‚d! Khaz‚d aimÍnu! 'Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!'


Well...anyway it wouldīve been nice to see itWink Smilie
and to see Nogrod and Belegost would also be cool!
Well, thats sorta my point. Khaz‚d = Dwarves (plural)
Therefore Khaz‚ds (anglicized) would be...Dwarves-s?
lol im just fooling around
The singular form (dwarf) was Khuzd; plural was Khaz‚d.
So, Khaz‚ds? It just got me laughing when I saw it.
Ha Ha Ha Smilie
Yeah,
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Khaz‚ds
Sounds like something a Marvel Comics super hero would say to transform. Sort of like"
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Shazam!!! Lighening Smilie
Allright then.....Khaz‚d....happy??? So Angry Smilie
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I have to agree, i think Moria was the bit that first really dragged me into the book, and was by far the best portrayed bit in the movie.


I completely agree. I loved Moria from the first time it was mentioned in The Hobbit and always wanted to learn more about it. However I personally dislike PJ rendering of the city except the 21st hall. I remember that in A Journey in the dark, it was mentioned that the passage towards the habitable was full of tunnels and shafts opening on both side. In the film no trace of them can be seen. Moreover the pitfall were supposed to be in font of them not beside them as portrayed in the movies. When I see the first part of the tunnel up to the 3 passages it seems so uncouth with jacked pieces of rocks everywhere. It doesn't suit the perfectionist Dwarves at all.

Moreover I wonder whether Tolkien really meant the mines to be portrayed as they were. As before reaching the 21st hall the passage from the west gate appears to wide for my liking. (you have to watch that part in the movie again to understand what i'm talking about!). I have complaints concerning the part when he Company was escaping from the Balrog too. Where did those steps in the abyss come from?

However I as i said I love the way the hall was made with its magnificent towering pillars. Yet I dislike the fact that that ugly troll crushed poor Balin's tomb in the Chamber of Mazarbul.