Thread: Travelling to the Undying Land
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I Understand why Frodo, Elrond, Bilbo and that lot take a boat, but if a Team of Strong People went to the north of Middle Earth, through the Blue Mountains and Gondolin, Couldn't they just stroll in by Helcaraxe? Or if Sauron and his army wun the war of the ring because all the Elves did a runner, could they then go and take over the Undying Lands by the same route I just Described?
Or they could also go east at the Forests of Harad, and sail a boat from there. How come this never happens? ([A,5] and [M,5] on the Map)
Of The Flight Of The Noldor, Silmarillion
But you mentioned Gondolin too (in Frodo's day Beleriand was under the Sea for the most part), so I'm a bit confused.
However the powers of the Dark Lord can not match those of the Valar. Morgot (former Vala) and stronger than Sauron (though maybe bit foolish or too self-confident), well anyway Morgot could not take over all the Valar alone. Sauron attempted to get the Nuumenoreans to take over the Undying lands and look what Eru did. Who knows what HE would have done next time if angry.
It is not out of reason to believe that Olorin was sent back to help for the downfall of Sauron by Eru himself.
Anyway Thanks for Correcting Me.
I have always seen it as existing inside and invisible water globe like you shake at Christmas. Everything within it perfect, amazing.
I imagine the travel to Valinor like getting lost and find a paradise nobody else's discovered before. It makes me think about the old travellers that went with the ships around the seas and suddenly they discovered new routes and countries, then brought new products to their home lands.
Anyhow, Valinor must be like a kind of eden and protected by the Valars so not everyone will find it. The power of the Valars will push the wind in a way the chosen ships arrive to the safe ports.
Just an opinion.
Yes Azaghal that Map as far as Im concerned is almost useless......
Quoting the Silm.
"And tales and rumours arose along the shores of the sea concerning mariners and men forlorn upon the water who, by some fate or grace or favour of the Valar, had entered in upon the Straight Way and seen the face of the world sink below them, and so had come to the lamplit quays of Avallónë, or verily to the last beaches on the margin of Aman, and there had looked upon the White Mountain, dreadful and beautiful, before they died."
Tolkien could be quite morbid occasionally...
I think you are thinking of the 'moth, flame, too bright and so on' quote, but Tolkien would later explain this in a text called Aman/Aman and Mortal Men.
To the Númenóreans they said they did so because Eru had forbidden them to admit Men to the Blessed Realm; and they declared also that Men would not there be blessed (as they imagined) but accursed, and would 'wither even as a moth in a flame too bright. (...)'
The text goes on to say that a Man would not age more swiftly in Aman, nor die sooner, but (considering the whole life of a man theoretically born in Aman) he would seem to die swiftly in comparison to the world around him.
The Valar had not the power nor the right to alter the span of mortal life, but change and growth in Aman (but not time itself) was far slower than in Middle-earth, so that the whole life of a Man would be less that one 'year' in Aman.
Here (in this text) a year in Aman = 144 Sun Years incidentally, which explains why mortals would die in less than one Valian Year.
"Do you mean in the Third Age? If so, the Undying Lands had been removed from the Circles of the World"
Indeed. That happened after the men of Numenor had tried to wage war against Valinor. (At the time, they were jealous of the gods and them being immortal.