Thread: the Halls of Mandos?
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I'd like to know what has happened with Feanor's spirit. In Silm p127, it states that:
Then he died; but he had neither burial, nor tomb, for so fiery was his spirit that as it sped his body fell to ash, and was borne away like smoke; and his likeness has never again appeared in Arda, neither has his spirit left the halls of Mandos.
Why was his death different from all the other Elves' death? I mean, I don't remember another Elf burning in the moment of departure from this world. Could it be that he was a mightier spirit entraped in an Elf body? (excuse me if I'm very wrong!) As for his dwelling in the Halls of Mandos, is it true that he will be released after the Dagor Dagorath, only to take the Silmarils to Yavanna and unmake them to regain the Trees' Light? (this one I'd really like to see!) And one last question: will Feanor be the last Elf to be released from the Halls of Mandos, due to its grievious deeds, for which he would need a great amount of time to repent? Or is this place reserved to someone else? Maeglin, maybe ...
I already thank you for your answers!
[Edited on 10/10/2003 by bugyfeanor]
Why was his death different from all the other Elves' death? I mean, I don't remember another Elf burning in the moment of departure from this world. Could it be that he was a mightier spirit entraped in an Elf body? (excuse me if I'm very wrong!)
Curufinwë was his name, but by his mother he was called Fëanor, Spirit of Fire; and thus he is remembered in all the tales of the Noldor.
Miriel was the name of his mother, ..... The love of Finwë and Miriel was great and glad, ..... But in the bearing of her son Miriel was consumed in spirit and body; and after his birth she yearned for release from the labour of living. And when she had named him, she said to Finwë: 'Never again shall I bear child; for strength that would have nourished the life of many has gone forth into Fëanor.
'Surely there is healing in Aman? Here all weariness can find rest.' But when Miriel languished still, Finwë sought the counsel of Manwë, and Manwë delivered her to the care of Irmo in Lorien. ..... She went then to the gardens of Lorien and lay down to sleep; but though she seemed to sleep, her spirit indeed departed from her body, and passed in silence to the halls of Mandos.
A little later it says:
... and Fëanor grew swiftly, as if a secret fire were kindled within him.
Anyway, this is my take on his death. I will leave it fo others to add their views on this and on your other questions.
I like to think that when he died, as pointed our in Bugyfeanor's quote in his above post, that part of his spirit returned to Miriel that she might again join with Finwë before the end.
They decreed that should an occurence happen in which one half of a marriage did not want to continue living, and did not wish to leave the Halls, then the other half could remarry. Before this could occur, however, the spouse in the Halls had to agree to never leave the halls again. Once separated, and a new union had been formed, it was decreed they must be always separated.
Back to the question of Feanor, however. I feel his body burned away, purely because his fea (spirit) was so strong. In Morgoth's Ring, it does mention older elves fading because their spirits are slowly consuming their bodies. I think Feanor, having the fea of his mother and his unborn siblings within him, made his spirit burn away his dead body.
The part about him returning from the Halls at the end and presenting Yavanna with the silmarils is taken from an early draft of the silmarillion (the same section which describes Morgoth being slain by Turin). Although this section was totally rewritten before being released, and the final battle was omitted, I still like to go along with its contents. They may have been written out, but they have never been contadicted as happening by later versions.
As for his place being taken by Maeglin... Again I don't think this will be the case. Maeglin is already in the Halls, and so has his own place. I think the reason Feanor will be the last to leave is due to his stubborness and pride. The Halls were not a prison, but a place of learning. Once you had discovered the faults of your earlier life and excorcised your demons etc, you were free to leave. I think Feanor's pride would have preventing him from ever admitting his faults. Without admission there can be no repentance, and without that, no release.
I think Feanor's pride would have preventing him from ever admitting his faults. Without admission there can be no repentance, and without that, no release.
Well, I'm afraid you're right, Val: Feanor is way too proud! As for Maeglin, I was just curious how long it would take him to repent what he has done.
Anyway, thanks for your replies, Grondy and Val; they really cleared my mind! But, wait ... these are not the last questions I have for u! I'LL BE BACK SOON!!!
As for Maeglin, I was just curious how long it would take him to repent what he has done.
In addition to coverting his cousin, Maeglin is remembered for telling Morgoth the secret paths into Gondolin. A lot of people call him evil for doing this, but is he really? He's just been captured and dragged before the most powerful and evil of the Valar. In another thread in these boards people are saying Hurin was the most valient man because he managed to defy Morgoth. Maeglin did not have this courage, as most people wouldn't, and so told Morgoth what he needed to know. Admittedly, he was wrong when returning to Gondolin not to tell Turgon what had occurred, but that would have cost him his life also.
In my opinion, Maeglin did not have Feanor's strength of character or will power. In fact he was weak willed. In the Halls of Mandos, no doubt he would have capitulated with Mandos's judgements but his recovery may have been long due to his many faults.
But, wait ... these are not the last questions I have for u! I'LL BE BACK SOON!!!
Btw, I know it may sound like I hate his guts, but it's not the case; actualy, until the betrayal of Gondolin, I found his character rather interesting! I might even say I liked this Elf! Unfortunately, he must have gotten too much from his father's side and too little from his mother! Such a shame: he was brave, very inteligent and would've made a great King! I guess we'll never know ...
P.S.: Val, those questions will come soon!!!
And, yeah, very interesting thread!
But of course Thingol´s realm did last without the aid of the Noldor....but then again it was ruined by the hand of the Noldor
About Eol : he's rightfully angry with the Noldor, but i think he exaggerated a bit when he tried to kill his son. It wasn't cool he thought of his wife and son as his possession. But maybe in the times before Elvish emancipation, all male Elves thought like this. And since Elves are immortal, they should still think like this since they don't change much.
But of course Thingol´s realm did last without the aid of the Noldor.
Actually, it wouldn't have lasted if it wasn't for Melian and that was fully proved when she finally left!
...but then again it was ruined by the hand of the Noldor.
Well, that's partially true; Doriath began fading when Thingol became over-attached to the Silmarillion, leading to his own death at the hands of the Dwarves! Sorry, Aule, the Noldor only finished the job!
And Ross, yes, I think u're right: the most disturbing thing about Maeglin was his pact with Morgoth, not his wicked love, nor even his actual betrayal! At least, that's how I see it ...