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Hi everyone, since the series of Movies ended interest in tolkien is waining a little, as is life in the fourms (only a little bit tho!) so the council agreed that we should create some discussions about topics outside Tolkien including CS. Lewis and new/forthcoming movies - here they are GET POSTING!!!

Grep
But won't this destroy the purpose of it being a website dedicated to Tolkien's works? And if we do want to discuss other movies, we can do it in the Taverns but why create another category itself? And if this catches on, PT will become another form where people come to discuss new movies, books, albums and what not? And soon this will lead to thse members being here who don't have any interest in Tolkien but only in movies. This was really unlooked for!

And the site is pretty fine really. We have enough active members and more will come, I'm sure. Tolkien's writing will never lose its charm. But making PT a site to discuss movies? This is unagreeable. This is just the starting, I now but I don't think I'll be liking where this really is gonna head. This is not going to be looking like a Tolkien Fan Site anymore after a few years if this continues. Can we just keep ourselves to Tolkien only? I've a bad feeling about this.

I don't know about the others but this is what I feel and I think as a member of this forum, I have a right to make my opinions heard whether or not they will be heeded to. I only plead to the Concil to reconsider this decision which they have taken (in hastiness or not). It would destroy the whle purpose of this message board if we deviate from Tolkien's works.

Thank you.

Yours in fellowship,
lord_aragorn86
We thought about doing this mostly because all of us have other interests outside of Tolkien, me I very much enjoy detective books - Ian Rankin, Mark Billingham, Colin Dexter and the like - i thought this would be a good opportunity to discuss them - it's not intended to dilute the nature of the site or to ignore tolkien mearly to add further possibility for discussion - and to highlight those possibilites to new members.

If everyone is going to get upset about this i'll delete them.
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it's not intended to dilute the nature of the site or to ignore tolkien mearly to add further possibility for discussion

Definitely not, but it will happen whether you mean it or not. I've seen it happen and this site won't be any exception. You continue like this and soon there will be a swarm of members with no interests at all in Tolkien and are only here to discuss movies and books and stuff like that. And this message board ought to be restricted solely to Tolkien and his works. Otherwise, it defeats the whole purpose of the name Planet-Tolkien and what I thought it to be when I first came here 3 years ago.

Sure, we all have interests other than Tolkien, I do too, but this message board is a place where I came to discuss only about Tolkien. There are other message boards too which pertain to my other interests and I discuss them there. But if yo mix everything into one site, it will stop from being a specialised site and will become a general discussion board where anyone can talk about anything and that really defeats the whole spirit of Planet-Tolkien (or what I thought it was when I joined).

Personally, I'm averse to what you're doing right now. But then you are the high authority and all this is in your hands and I'm sure I'm not speaking for everyone. I'll listen to what other members have to say about this. But I only wish that such a "bold" step should have been discussed with us members of the lower strata too before being taken.
Look i'm not trying to screw this site up for heavens sake just improve the possibilites for discussion, neither am i trying to be the high leader. We talked about this in council; as i said if members are generally opposed to the changes then they'll be removed - what does everyone else think?

We also wanted to cover C.S. Lewis in more depth as there will be some new interest in Lewis and Tolkin because of the forthcoming movies - as he and tolkien were contemporaries and friends we thought it might interest the memebers too.

But broadly i think we see a few too many of the mega-threads like Twist my words and How random can you be and not enough new discussions about books or movies of any kind - i hope that this affords us that opportunity.
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as i said if members are generally opposed to the changes then they'll be removed

The "they" being the members who oppose or the changes being opposed?
the they being the new message boards and threds within them - of course i wouldn't remove members. Please understand I don't look at this as my site - the site belongs to the members, I really am trying to improve the technical infrastrucure but it's a big time consuming and very costly job. All the money I just earned from freelance work is going on paying for a DBA to resurect Virumor and Loni's accounts which were deleted under suspicious circumstances and to paying for new hosting arrangements. This is not an easy or cheap job.
Anthony, I think you have misunderstood my intention in these posts. I'm only opposed to the changes you have made and it neither was nor is any wish of mine to offend you mate. You're doing a good job and I appreciate and I respect it. I know handling a site as huge as PT is a danting task and yo've been adept at it. I know what hard work goes behind it and I now you are constantly working to the benifit of us members here in PT. Please, I never meant any disrespect to you and if unwittingly, I have hurt you and/or your feelings I offer my sincerest apologies to you. I never meant any offence.

Yours apologetically,
lord_aragorn86
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But won't this destroy the purpose of it being a website dedicated to Tolkien's works? And if we do want to discuss other movies, we can do it in the Taverns but why create another category itself? And if this catches on, PT will become another form where people come to discuss new movies, books, albums and what not? And soon this will lead to thse members being here who don't have any interest in Tolkien but only in movies. This was really unlooked for!

LA86, are the members who only come to PT to post in those stupid games of the taverns having/showing any interest in Tolkien then ? Already PT is already a place where ppl come to mess around in ridiculous threads instead of holding any serious discussion, about Tolkien or not.

In the last 2 months there was only one discussion thread i can think of, and that was the FŽanor thread... what does that say ?

I think the books/movie threads as proposed by Grep is a good opportunity to start any discussion. I'd be the first to vote for the tavern threads to be deleted and replaced for a general books/movie thread.

So, about new movies... anybody looking forward to The Princess Diaries part 3 ?
Can't wait for the princess diaries 3! I've been looking for a good reason to hang myself lately!
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But won't this destroy the purpose of it being a website dedicated to Tolkien's works?

Tolkien had a great deal of influence on authors, poets, songwriters and screenwriters. I donít think this will destroy our purpose, in fact, it has great potential to enhance it. That will, of course, depend on the direction the discussions take and I will do my best to look for any opportunity to demonstrate our dear professorís legacy to the world of art and literature.


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Tolkien's writing will never lose its charm.

No, indeed, truer words were never spoken. I see evidence of this everyday, in several books that I read and in many movies.


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I don't know about the others but this is what I feel and I think as a member of this forum, I have a right to make my opinions heard whether or not they will be heeded to. I only plead to the Concil to reconsider this decision which they have taken (in hastiness or not). It would destroy the whle purpose of this message board if we deviate from Tolkien's works.

We welcome any input and opinions that our members wish to express and we do listen. As with anything worth doing, there is trial and error and growing pains. As far as the message board deviating from Tolkienís works, that has been witnessed over and over again in the taverns and in the RPGs. None-the-less, it is safe to say, even those posters consider themselves, and rightfully so, admirers of Tolkienís ideas and works. It is the job of those of us who have studied and who have a genuine passion to show our friends that Tolkienís influence can be seen in the most unexpected places. What better way than to use what one may perceive as an unrelated book or movie?

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But if yo mix everything into one site, it will stop from being a specialised site and will become a general discussion board where anyone can talk about anything and that really defeats the whole spirit of Planet-Tolkien (or what I thought it was when I joined).

Yes, the potential is there for this to happen. But the council and membership have a responsibility to keep JRR Tolkien at the forefront and I do believe that can be done with the new forum topics and the spirit of Planet-Tolkien will not diminish.

Ahh, the Princess Diaries movie series. How blissful! Angel Smilie
Just to throw in a few of my thoughts.

When I first found this site it was like finding Rivendell. The discussions were fresh and the membership was reletively small and stable. Most topics were Tolkien related, and those which weren't were generally conducted in the taverns and were about other books and films, music etc. The taverns were interesting, and a warm atmospheric feel to them.

Over time much has changed. Few of the members who were here when I first joined are still around. Many of those who have gone, however, are ones I formed great friendships with, and still have contact with outside of PT. Since I have been here, however, I have seen a deluge of new members enthusiastically arrive. A few have remained here and made PT their home, some have been active in the discussions for a year or so, and have then disappeared to pastures new (sadly missed), but the vast majority have hung around for five minutes and then gone. Many of these later ones did not make it outside of the taverns, and for the life of me I cannot see why half of them even bothered joining a Tolkien site. Unfortunately, by sheer numbers of pointless posting by them, they very effectively diluted the Tolkien content (and credibility) of the site.

Not all blame can be placed at that particular doorstep, though. Over time more and more topics have been discussed, and as we have all learned more from each other, the discussions have gone into very great depth. An unfortunate consequence of this, however, is that we have gradually ran out of meaty discussion topics. We are often finding ourselves literally scraping the barrel to find new topics to discuss, and these are often not quite as interesting as the earlier topics. Also, the depth to which we have gone in some discussions makes it difficult for new members with less experience to join in. Presented with twenty pages of past posts, many do not bother reading half of them and add a view or question that has already been discussed to death earlier in the posts they have skipped. Others probably do read through the whole topic, but perhaps finding their question or view has already been covered, do not bother adding anything new. I like answering questions for people, but if it is a question I have already answered at great length elsewhere, I find it difficult to motivate myself to do so again. It is no fault of the new member... When I first joined I read through every single post of every thread before I attempted to post anything myself. It wasn't too bad when joined, however. There were only about fifty threads, and most were only a couple of pages long. Now days that task would be impossible.

So where's all this going?

I can see your reservations LA86. I have some too. Unfortunately the forum, for the reasons I have mentioned above, is becoming stale. The dedicated fans have already been there and got the T-shirt. And for the most part the taverns have become buried in a pile of inane dung. Okay, I agree, having sections dedicated to films and books other than Tolkien will dilute the Tolkien content and perhaps attract non-Tolkien members, but like Rednell pointed out, are the people who post so much rubbish in the taverns really Tolkien fans themselves. Hopefully what these sections will do, however, is highlight elements that used to exist in the taverns that are interesting and worthy of discussion, but have become buried in drivel.

I think if it were possible we would all like to see the site go back to how it was two or three years ago when it was all fresh, but I really don't think that is possible. Friends have moved on and those of us who remain have learned so much the discussions have ran their course. It does not mean we are not still huge Tolkien fans though. And that will not change. It is a Tolkien site, for Tolkien fans, whose core reason for being here is to be with like minded people. Given the choice of discussing a non-Tolkien book with you, or both of us drifting away because we have become bored of a tired forum, I'd rather discuss the other book. Who knows, because we are both so heavily influenced by Tolkien, the discussion might even spark some more life out of avenues we have not already explored.

If anything....DIRECTS THIS AT ANT... the new, non-Tolkien topics should be sectioned further down the list so that there is no doubt what this site is really about.
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the new, non-Tolkien topics should be sectioned further down the list so that there is no doubt what this site is really about.

Yup, I think we have all said that Ant in one way or another now. *Pats Ant on the head* Don't worry, you are a good boss. PT is Precioussssss to us, but we growl worse than we bite. Except Vee, but we try to keep her on a leash. Wink Smilie
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This is the best discussion we've had in weeks. Elk Grinning Smilie

The newly added non-Tolkien threads must be moved below the existing Tolkien threads; other than that, I have no heartburn with their inclusion.
*strains at leash*

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I think if it were possible we would all like to see the site go back to how it was two or three years ago when it was all fresh, but I really don't think that is possible.


Well.... how about we wipe all the threads and start the discussions, games etc all over again from the beginning?

*innocent smile*

Now, about that Balrog...
I love the works of Tolkien and Lewis, and in my humble opinion, their works are as much alike that they almost interlink, and also since they were the main members of the Inklings, surely they bounced their ideas off each other. I like the idea of a bit on non-Tolkien discussion.
Yesterday I saw the newest movie edition of HG Wells's War of the Worlds. The movie was pretty good and I think it followed the book more than the one I saw in the fifties. For one thing this movie's giant three legged destructo-death machines were in the book; whereas in the old movie they were replaced by three bulge flying machines. In retrospect the old ones remind me of a sort of fusion of two ocarinas without the holes and with a gooseneck lamp spewing heat rays all over the place. The movie might be considered scary and the ten year old girl had screaming down pat. I liked the movie.
I agree with Valedhelgwath.

Being a new member. I find it hard to read through every thread before I ask a question. I am trying, but I know I am making veteran members repeat what they have already discussed. There has to be a decent solution to this. A different solution than
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Well.... how about we wipe all the threads and start the discussions, games etc all over again from the beginning?


I will try my best to think of a solution in the next couple of days...mainly because I can't think of one now....Oh...just thought of one. nope never mind. It wasn't a very good one.

-Caudimordax...I'll be back.
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It wasn't too bad when joined, however. There were only about fifty threads, and most were only a couple of pages long. Now days that task would be impossible.

Ya think? Search function. A way to click on members names (including my own) and access their past posts, without going through every thread in every forum. Of course, I might end up stalking the more knowledgable and creative members. (Yes, I realize this belongs in website suggestions, but I've already posted it there.) Maybe have it take us to the most recent post when we click on the new threads, but that's a minor and non-essential detail.

And Tolkien DOES influence a lot of authors in a lot of ways. At the risk of dredging up old debates, one could argue that virtually every author who writes fantasy is influenced by him; that's why they write fantasy. Does anybody think Jordan has the Two Rivers grow tabac just because he likes his pipe? You can't have a fantasy site without Tolkien, so it makes sense that a Tolkien site would have some "Non-Tolkien Books." That I can live with. I've found the best way to trash an author you hate is to make a movie of it though, and one animated and one Oscar winning example come to mind.

I'll be around though, it's the only place I've found to have the kind of detailed and serious discussion of Middle-Earth I like, rather than "oooo, I just LOVE those movies, wasn't it great when Arwen saved Frodo? Silmawhat? Why are you looking at me like that?"
Moderator Smilie Please put your new movies in this thread peoples; use Website Suggestions to post things you wish improvedónot that it seems to do us much good, so don't hold your breath. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I know I've contributed to those mindless game threads and not much to serious Tolkien discussion, but that's because I've been unable to attain the Two Towers (its always missing at my local library, where the resident ten-year-olds check it out just because the movie was 'awesome'.....and then they can't understand it and because they're ten-year-olds, it is never returned. That's off the subject so let me continue on my original thought-train...

The only reason I haven't added anything to any -real- Tolkien discussion is because I am slightly afraid of what vet members will say to me, considering the fact that though I'm only fifteen, I haven't read every single book with the word 'Tolkien' in it. Every time I think of question to ask or realize something that I thought was profound, I check in on the TOLKIEN message board category and see that someone else has already posted it first. Its a bit disconcerting with so many Tolkien experts floating around and me, a Tolkien-newbie, with nothing productive or insightful or creative to say, because my knowledge is limited.

All that and besides the fact that I love to RolePlay....

*notices that the thread is about new movies, not discussions about Tolkien discussions....*

Does anyone want to the Ring 2?


I haven't yet seen The Ring, but have noiticed it is now on cable, so I don't know if I am waiting with baited breath for its sequel, probably not.

Frozen-Toothed-One: Don't worry about asking newbie-like questions, just try to ask them in an existing thread that has the same or very similar subject, that way all the older ex-spurts can show off their knowledge, but your question will soon be hidden in the middle of the thread, and we might again have some more good discussion with new insight brought by our newer members who haven't yet had a crack at the subject matter.
just wondering...has anyone seen the Brothers Grimm yet?

im probablly going to see it toknight with some of my friends.
Yes , Ive seen it Wink Smiliegood adventure
Anyone seen the Da Vinci Code ? Any opinions ? I saw it last nigth and thought it was OK , but a little dissapointed also ...A bit boring actually , I think the actors gave little to their caracters .hope angels and demons will be better (if they decide to make a film out of it)