Gimli granted access to Valinor? Is that for real? I recall reading something on that before, but highly doubted he would be allowed access.
I just don't see what makes Gimli so special to have the Valar's grace and give him access to Valinor...
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I believe Vir is right on this one (there you are Vir you got that in writing!)
Only Gandalf was allowed to go to Valinor. the Rest were permitted only to Tol Eressea as was expected of the Noldor (becuase of there rebelion) and that was a true gift enough for the others...
Legolas however I would imagine would be permitted to go to Valinor, as he was of course not a Noldor.
Only Gandalf was allowed to go to Valinor. the Rest were permitted only to Tol Eressea as was expected of the Noldor (becuase of there rebelion) and that was a true gift enough for the others...
Legolas however I would imagine would be permitted to go to Valinor, as he was of course not a Noldor.
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Legolas however I would imagine would be permitted to go to Valinor, as he was of course not a Noldor.
Legolas however I would imagine would be permitted to go to Valinor, as he was of course not a Noldor.
I thought that Gimli was also so that he could live the rest of his life with his new friend
If not where did he go ?I am not saying Legolas DID go to valinor. i am saying that I cannot see why the Valar would hinder him from doing so. I suspect that legolas probably waited for the old Dwarves life to end before he left him. The Great duo they were. A mark of frindeship rarely heard of between the Adopted and the Chosen children of Iluvatar.
I think Lord of All has it right about Gimli and Legolas's journey towards Valinor. Only Legolas arrived there, and only after Gimli finally died; and this assumes their ship didn't swamp after leaving Middle-earth's harbor. All the Appendices to LotR tell us is that they left together, our sense of fairness and our imagination tell us they actually arrived.
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Mellon
I thought that Gimli was also so that he could live the rest of his life with his new friend If not where did he go ?
Mellon
I thought that Gimli was also so that he could live the rest of his life with his new friend If not where did he go ?
If that was the case then why couldn't the other members of the fellowship have the privilege to do the same as Gimli? Obviously we know Frodo, Bilbo and Samwise had that gift, but for different reasons completely. In the 1st Age there were many greater Elves than Legolas and they befriended men who were lords of men of the Edain, whom did as great if not greater deeds than Gimli, and they were still not allowed access to the undying lands. I just don't see why Gimli should be allowed the grace of the Elves and Aragorn, Túrin, Húrin, Beren, etc... (The list go on for quite some time) were not granted access.
I believe after Gimli died he would have gone to the halls of his fathers and dwell there until after the Final Battle was over and the dwarves helped to rebuild Arda.
It is also stated at the end of the Akallabeth,
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And tales and rumours arose along the shores of the sea concerning mariners and men forlorn upon the water who, by fate or grace of favour of the Valar, had entered in upon the Straight Way and seen the face of the world sink below them, and so had come to the lamplit quays of Avallone, or verily to the last beaches on the margin of Aman, and there had looked upon the White Mountain, dreadful and beautiful, before they died.
And tales and rumours arose along the shores of the sea concerning mariners and men forlorn upon the water who, by fate or grace of favour of the Valar, had entered in upon the Straight Way and seen the face of the world sink below them, and so had come to the lamplit quays of Avallone, or verily to the last beaches on the margin of Aman, and there had looked upon the White Mountain, dreadful and beautiful, before they died.
We all know Dwarves are not fond of forests, and i doubt water, so in that case I think it's safe to say almost all the Dwarves never tried to sail the seas. Although Tolkien wisely uses the word 'mariners' along with men, even though Gimli was one of these mariners and sailed to Valinor with Legolas... Well the end of the quote can provide your answer as to what happens to him.
Legolas was not of the Noldor (who were permitted only to Tol Eressea with Finarfin there High King). That is why he may have been permitted to journey to Valinor. Gimli, like Frodod and Bilbo, was a mortal so doubtful would be permitted to go to Valinor itself. Gandalf was a Maiar and perhaps the key factor of the War of the Ring, so of course nothing is stopping him going over to Valinor.
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I just don't see what makes Gimli so special to have the Valar's grace and give him access to Valinor...
I just don't see what makes Gimli so special to have the Valar's grace and give him access to Valinor...
It's suggested in the LOTR Appendices that Galadriel would have granted this for him.
As for the Noldor, since they were forgiven at the end of the First Age, they could all go to Valinor again, and to Tirion their city where Finarfin lives. The reason that many Elves coming from Middle-earth reside at Tol Eresseä, is simply because they still wish to stay in touch with Middle-earth, so to speak. Their hearts are torn apart between the Undying Lands and Middle-earth.
It's kinda the same reason why the Teleri lived in Alqualondë by the Sea and never moved 'inward'.
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He is without sin, cast the first tomato... and keep in mine that the castee is a Council Member... *ominous glare*.
He is without sin, cast the first tomato... and keep in mine that the castee is a Council Member... *ominous glare*.
Point well made, I'll throw the squash instead then!
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Point well made, I'll throw the squash instead then!
Point well made, I'll throw the squash instead then!
Why do things half-slow; use a watermellon or a Roc egg instead.
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Why do things half-slow; use a watermellon or a Roc egg instead.
Why do things half-slow; use a watermellon or a Roc egg instead.
Hey Grondy are you suggestion that he use me then ? (watermellon )
I thought that was a deliberate typo... 'watermelon'..
Do you like watersports, Mellon? I guess in Norway that would refer to iceskating, but anyway.
Do you like watersports, Mellon? I guess in Norway that would refer to iceskating, but anyway.
Well Gimli for me, mainly because there is more information about him and he seems different somehow, he is open to Elvish things and well there is a touch of something about him I like.
I wish he was h ere to help me, I am exhausted getting everything ready for Christmas. Exhausted.
Or perhaps I could use a precious vial of virumor, that would do the trick.
I wish he was h ere to help me, I am exhausted getting everything ready for Christmas. Exhausted.
Or perhaps I could use a precious vial of virumor, that would do the trick.
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Do you like watersports, Mellon? I guess in Norway that would refer to iceskating, but anyway
Do you like watersports, Mellon? I guess in Norway that would refer to iceskating, but anyway
Nah.. Vir I'm not into watersport at all , I know YOU know that I was simply using a part of my PT name as A JOKE
Are you into any sport then VIR ..or are you just being a sport to settle the argument about ME choosing Gimli? If you were a DWARF my choise would definatly be YOU 
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Or perhaps I could use a precious vial of virumor, that would do the trick.
Or perhaps I could use a precious vial of virumor, that would do the trick.
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If you were a DWARF my choise would definatly be YOU
If you were a DWARF my choise would definatly be YOU
Vir, have you been telling the ladies that you are really Viggo Mortensen again? You really need to stop doing that.
My favorite is Gimli, mostly because I felt bad that PJ made him such a dumb clown. And.... um... Dori? The one who kept carrying Bilbo around? I thought he seemed nice.
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Or perhaps I could use a precious vial of virumor, that would do the trick.
Or perhaps I could use a precious vial of virumor, that would do the trick.
Why, it was miruvor, but thank you... there's plenty of Virumor for everyone..
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Vir, have you been telling the ladies that you are really Viggo Mortensen again? You really need to stop doing that.
Vir, have you been telling the ladies that you are really Viggo Mortensen again? You really need to stop doing that.
No, I keep telling them the truth, that I am most alike to Gríma Wormtongue, yet they still come to me in packs...
Tis verily true that women like 'bad boys'. Why do you think Rasputin was that popular in his heyday, eh?
My favourite Dwarf is not Gimli, for I find his infatuation with Galadriel a bit too hard to stomach. If I really have to choose, I shall go for Daín Stonehelm.
P.S. : women actually find Viggo Mortensen attractive?! Oh dear... oh dearie me!
P.P.S. : Viggo Mortensen???!!
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P.S. : women actually find Viggo Mortensen attractive?! Oh dear... oh dearie me!
P.S. : women actually find Viggo Mortensen attractive?! Oh dear... oh dearie me!
Of course ...Specially when he is the character of Aragorn..STRIDER AAaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh........I would been afraid having him around ..but then again Vir ..you make me laugh and also irritated sometimes ..just like dear Gimli
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P.P.S. : Viggo Mortensen???!!
P.P.S. : Viggo Mortensen???!!
I was going to write Orlando Bloom, but I figured these ladies had a finer taste in men. And he is indeed attractive! Very attractive! ...when his hair is clean that is.
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And he is indeed attractive! Very attractive! ...when his hair is clean that is.
And he is indeed attractive! Very attractive! ...when his hair is clean that is.
That's due to what Rangers do... lying around in putrid sloughs and behind ivy infested fences... I am quite sure though that the lovely Queen Evenstar had set our uxorious King Elessar on the path of hygiene.
I reckon though that Aragorn might have found the Path of Marriage particularly more challenging than the Paths of the Dead..
For didn't some wise man named Socrates say : "I advise to you all to get married; if you have a good wife, you'll be happy; if not, then you'll become a philosopher."
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I was going to write Orlando Bloom, but I figured these ladies had a finer taste in men. And he is indeed attractive! Very attractive! ...when his hair is clean that is.
I was going to write Orlando Bloom, but I figured these ladies had a finer taste in men. And he is indeed attractive! Very attractive! ...when his hair is clean that is.
Noooo; Amarié..I find him to be such a pretty boy. I think Strider is a MAN !!
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Tis verily true that women like 'bad boys'. Why do you think Rasputin was that popular in his heyday, eh?
Tis verily true that women like 'bad boys'. Why do you think Rasputin was that popular in his heyday, eh?
That's only the 'bad girls' who like the 'bad boys'.
I'd have had 400 posts by now, except the cable company turned off our cable for two days, preventing me from getting on.
In my opinion, which is nothing really, but I think the reason that Gimli got to go oversea had nothing to do with Legolas and everything to do with himself. He , it was pointed out by Galadriel, was wondrous in good manners and speech and thought and behaviour and he showed himself to be so different in some respects from the dwarves they had known-he was not grasping and besotted with wealth and all that, he also esteemed what the elves considered to be higher things. And the fact that the only thing he asked for were the three strands of h er golden hair, to encase and memorialize forever truly touched her heart. Through his stories of her which h e obviously told to all who would hear, even those in parts of Middle-Earth that knew next to nothing about the Elves from Lothlorien could be enchanted and think highly of her and in their own way revere her and in turn tell others. So that I think was his reward.It was merely an added bonus that Legolas loved him dearly and would not be parted with his friend.