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How good of a job do you all believe Peter Jackson did at portraying the appearances of the characters?

I believe that Jackson did a tremendous job on everybody, except the HOBBITS! What happened to frodo being 33 and chubby? The only hobbits done well were Samwise Gamgee and the Proudfoot father.

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I woudln't say a TREMENDOUS job on EVERYBODY. Like Faramir, in particular. And Denethor. Denethor WAS an active steward and he had lit the beacons, and DID care about the future of Gondor, and DID order battles and got involved. And Theoden. Having no faith in Gondor, huh! But lots of other characters were done well. Like Saruman and Gandalf. I did like them. I think Pippin was done reasonably well, could've been better, but still a good achievement. Merry too. You can't expect too much. But Frodo! Ugh! The WORST!!!! I agree with you on that one. Always standing there with some weird look on his face, and having little evil moments, and TURNING SAM AWAY!!!! How could he? Sam was quite good, though. I think it was a mixed result of quality for the portrayal of the characters.
I agree with most of which Loni said. The films were good as films and if there hadn't been any books to base them on they would have been really good but those of us who love the books see the changes and you just can't change Tolkien's writing as it was perfect.

But, i-aran, do you mean just the appearance as in make-up/costume/physical? If so then I have to say I liked Galadriel and the orcs, the balrog, Gandalf and Theoden and Gollum and Boromir, Aragorn and Eomer. I didn't like Arwen (either appearance or character) or Frodo, Eowyn or Faramir.

The detail given to the various races was phenomenal - the armour, weapons, wall hangings, halls, costumes - all fantastic.
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The films were good as films and if there hadn't been any books to base them on they would have been really good but those of us who love the books see the changes and you just can't change Tolkien's writing as it was perfect.


I agree and disagree with V here. I saw the movies first and then read the books. I must say, I loved the movies. Speaking of the changes that were made, I think you can't really blame PJ for them, because movies and books are two completely different media. I mean, PJ had to make sure that the movies were good as movies and not as exact replicas of the books, visualised. That would be a case for the stage maybe. But I love both the movies and the books and after reading the books, I still enjoy the movies as much as I enjoyed them when I first watched them, because, I watch them as movies and not as books replicated!!

P.S. After talking to Blue about this, I really feel good now, that I watched the movies first!!
I agree with the notion that its hard for Tolkien lovers to step away from the books sometimes and give a totally unbiased look at the movie. That's not a bad thing, rather we (at least me) have spent all those years reading Tolkien's work and picturing the characters in our own mind. When we see someone else's interpretation, its natural to say 'that's not what I pictured.' For me the elves were not quite what I had always pictured in my mind. I felt the movie made them seem rather effiminate, and I had always pictured them as not only being cultured individuals but skilled warriors. More edgy and mysterious perhaps. I also pictured Frodo being mid-30's. But all that's probably nit-picking. I really love the movies and hope someone will attempt to make The Hobbit.
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I really love the movies and hope someone will attempt to make The Hobbit.
I loved both after I temporarily suspended my book visualizations of the characters and the outline of the book plot. When I did this I saw the movies hung together plot-wise. Sure PJ rewrote some of the chartacters differently than Tolkien; however, when you see how they fit in the movie and just forget about the book for a bit, they do make sense; even though some people refuse or are incapable of seeing this. Just consider that the books=the apples and the movies=the oranges; both are good fruit, but they are not the same fruit.
WEll, that's a good point, Grondy. But I still think he could've changed it a little less. Especially Faramir and Denethor. He put them in a worse light than Tolkien. The rest of them were pretty good, but I really ddn't like Frodo. It was good showing the Ring taking control, but you can have too much of a good thing.

(i think If I had watched the movies first, I probably would've had a completely different opinion.)
Yep Grondy - I agree mostly with what you said and I do enjoy the films but when it comes to a discussion about the two I have to support the books. I can see why certain things were changed but others (such as Faramir) made no sense and some seemed unnecessary. I thought the elves at Helms Deep were fantastic both visually and the for the WOW factor.
Yup, agreed with V.
I saw the movies before reading the books and that is what got me completely hooked on Tolkien. I love both for what they are. PJ did an excellent job casting the characters, although had I read the books first I may have formed some preconceived images of the characters. The hobbits could have been chubbier but they somehow fit the roles perfectly anyhow. My most favorite (I have many) is Aragorn and I don't think I would have appreciated his character only reading the book. Viggo was so perfect for the role. The movie characters really made me feel their fears, loyalty, hope and made me appreciate the books even more when I read them.
When we read something we build a picture in our imagination of what the characters looks like. Often this picture is totally different to how others imagine those characters, and often quite different too to how they are actually described in the text. It is the same here on this site. How many of you have a picture in your head of what another member looks like, only to be really surprised when you do finally see a picture? Visual pictures are very strong, however. Have you noticed how you can carry a picture around in your mind for years unchanged, but once a real picture comes along, that original image is driven away and banished?

For years I had carried around pictures in my mind of what the LotR characters should look like. I was nervous when I went to see the film that these images would be shattered and driven away, but what I found really surprised me. Instead of these total differences I was expecting, I was amazed just how similar many of the characters looked to how I had always imagined them to be. Gandalf, Aragorn, Gimli, Frodo, Sam and many others were just as I had expected them to be. The places too, appeared familiar.

I think JR's piece of genius here was to employ John Howe and Alan Lee. Those images I had prior to seeing the films were not really my own original memories but the ones which had slowly replaced them over the years after seeing Middle Earth artwork on calanders etc. The images I carried of the above characters were not my own, but ones drawn by JH and AL years before. By getting those two artists involved in the sets and costumes, PJ was able to create scenes and characters that were already familiar to his audiences.

I ask myself what happened to Faramir? He looked nothing like I had imagined, but thinking about it, I have never seen a JH or AL portrait of Faramir. My image of him, which the film version has so rudely driven away, was my original pure one developed from reading the book.

RIP Faramir.
I agree with Val! I think PJ was mostly successful with the visuals, just not 100%.

Luckily I can still picture my original Faramir when I read the books.

by me the characters in the movie best portraied are the horse lords, and the ishtary.
I'm a frank person, and I say this: it was first very good then good then no comment. If he sings Linkin Park's "n The End"He is murdering the song, "I tried so far and that's so far in the end it doesn't even matter! It doesn't really matter and it really should not matter, why? Movies as always were not loyal to the book, but it doesn't really have to be really loyal that almost every single detail should really matter. But he changed the whole thing, everything Exclamation Smilie and I say the story became meaningless! Boring Smilie Mad Smilie

Thank you! I could have said more but I have not enough time. Big Smile Smilie
What? PJ sang "In the End"?? OMG Shocked Smilie
I agree with most of what Vee and Val have said. Faramir...RIP indeed. I love the movies, but that makes me really, really upset whenever I think about it. That was the whole point of the two brothers -- making them out to be different, making Faramir out to be the true strong one even though his father couldn't see it.

I would have to say that Eowyn was definitely not what I pictured while reading the book either. I was expecting this tall, strapping, healthy-looking Viking woman...a woman that looked like she had strength, drank her milk. I like Miranda Otto, but not as Eowyn.

Ya know, I guess I would have to say that I do like Elijah Wood as well, but by the end of the third movie, I kind of felt like...all right, all ready! We get it! You are tormented, you can't go on. Enough with those weepy eyes and that stare! Boo hoo! Ugh! I just feel that the books don't beat you over the head with it as much as the movie. Of course, that could be the directing too. Anyway, I feel that the books make you feel what Frodo is going through, and I stopped feeling it as much at the end of ROTK. Does that make sense?
I agree with V and Loni on most of the things. I am suprised that Virumor didnt shout out already that this is all blasphemous and that the movies suck!! No no. Only kiding. But i do know how Vir likes the movies. Not at all.
I thing they are great. You try making them better, The work, effort and fantasy put into it is tremendous!!! I think they did a great job.
I've said it once and I'll say it a million times...Just how else can one make a 1000plus page book into a 9 hours movie without cutting up parts or modifying the storyline. Also keep in mind, he had to make some money and also the movie had to make sense to people who haven't read any of the books. I say let the people who complain about the unfaithfulness of the movies film a movie on it and be faithful too. Hows that for a challenge, eh?
Give me the money then.

There are definitely parts where I can see why PJ made changes if only for impact and wow factor but there are other parts which he messed up - need I say Faramir again? And the Army of the Dead - too over the top. And Eowyn and Theoden when he died... I think all those bits would have been better if they were true to the book.

Let's just complete the Bakshi movie on LOTR. That one is true to the books.

Of course, we wouldn't make any money but who cares about that.

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Just how else can one make a 1000plus page book into a 9 hours movie without cutting up parts or modifying the storyline.

How else? Well, by not cutting up parts or modifying the storyline.
Well, I certainly loved the book more than the movies, but that is all about myself being an "epic" person, and the movies simply have more of the action element. Still, like many, I was angry with PJ on the subject of Faramir whom I absolutely loved in the book. I think it was a great loss for the movies to deprive him of that chance to prove his worth and to be so incredibly well-balanced and "a man whom pity deeply stirred", a philosopher as well as a soldier. But I liked Legolas. The Jackson's character is much more dynamic than Tolkien's.
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Give me the money then.

Show me the movie first.

Well, yes even I didn't like the dead army part and the fact that there were no other rangers but they are just usual casualties in a long battle!
Oh yes, Eowyn too. I'd had a better opinion on princesses in general before I saw the movie. Is it really OK for them to go about hugging stray rangers Shocked Smilie ? And oh! that crying, all the time! Come on, she came from a family and a nation of warriors! And what about why she actually went to war: wasn't it because she thought there was nothing for her in this life but to die, and committing suicide was too weak?
Anyone? Wink Smilie
What Eowyn was really after was a way out of her mundane life of cooking stews, and baking bread, sweeping floors, mucking out stables, and washing pots and pans (reminded me of the Dwarves comic washing-up song in The Hobbit.) A life that had been falsely shown to be worse than it actually was by the deceits of Grim Wormtongue.

As princess I doubt if she had to do much of this; however, she couldn't marry just any old horse wrangler. She thought she had found a way out in Aragorn, but when he left, she decided to go after Glory, bring what it will: 'Death with Honor' or 'Fame and Fortune' via some princeling of Gondor. Yeah, I know, she wasn't a princess nor was Faranir a prince; but you catch my drift. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I notced that in the book Faramir has a very "white" good personality and while that works quite well on page, for a casual viewer this might seem a little unrealistic so PJ kind of made him a bit grey. I think, though, that he took this too far especially in the theatrical release but the extended version does explain it a little and at the same time shows how the power of the RIng affected Boromir.
Thats just my view but i think some people might have been a bit harsh on the film Faramir and PJ's depiction of him.
Derarl
I saw The Fellowship of The Rings before I read LOTR , but still I think PJ did a good job on the caracters, I loved the elfes, dwarfs, hobbits, balrog, grond and of course the FELLOWSHIP
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I loved the elfes, dwarfs, hobbits, balrog, grond

I agree that we all love Grondy but I didn't know that he was there in the movie FotR. Can you tell me in which scene was he?
Well Lord_aragorn 86, isnt he referring to that big battering ram in the shape of a wolf's head? The one used to knock down the gates of Minis Tirith. Wasn't that named Grond? Just a thought.
Grond was indeed the battering ram the Witch-King used to take down MT's gate, named after the Hammer of the Underworld, but that object only appeared in ROTK and not in FOTR.
HI, Yes I meant the big battering ram that took down the gate in MT, I do not "know " Grondmaster yet. Sad Smilie And of course GROND didnt take place before The Return of The King Elf Smilie
And I chose my name in honor of the Dwarven Smith who mastered Grond, the battering ram, by melting it down for use in forging the mithril and steel gates that replaced those of Minas Tirith that were destroyed by the forces of the Witchking. Wiggle Smilie