i've never understood something about the fellow ship in moria.
apparently gollum started to track the member from there. but how did he get out when the bridge collapsed after boromir and aragorn?
Thread: Gollum & Moria
I have wondered this myself...
I suppose that the term "where there's a will, there's a way....." would apply here. I would just assume that Gollum would have had such obsession that he could have frantically ran to find some other route. There were contraptions of old scattered around Moria (I assume that there were some of them around the route the fellowship taken) so he could have climbed around and found a way, although he would have gotten very far behind the fellowship, but he would have "tracked" them. Plus Gollum had survived the deep caves of The Misty Mountains and knew how to get around such dark places with ease, he more than likely used it within Moria. Gandalf knew that Gollum would have survived and found his way out, he still had a part to play after......
Gollum followed the beacon of the Ring, which would lead him out of any labyrinth in Arda.
Just a thought: Gollum showed he could scale rock walls like a spider in the Emyn Muil while following Frodo, Sam, and the Ring. Probably in Moria he scaled a wall near the chasm, crossed the ceiling, and down the wall on the other side of the chasm. If the chasm left the room via an arched opening, he wouldn't even have had to use the ceiling, just continued on the wall above the opening.
That is what I was thinking. Perhaps the miserble rat could cling onto the cragy walls of Moria and climb across that way.
perhaps you're right about he spider way but elesssar i don't thing there was another way except the bridge. if you remember the chapter you will see that the bridge was described as "an ancient defence of the dwarves aginst any enemy who might win the first hall" and i don't think that the dwarves would make another way to counter there own defence.
I think Thorin is right about there being multiple gates:
"Well, well! ' said the wizard. `The passage is blocked behind us now and there is only one way out – on the other side of the mountains."
"I cannot say,' answered Gandalf. 'It depends on many chances. But going straight, without mishap or losing our way, we shall take three or four marches, I expect. It cannot be less than forty miles from West-door to East-gate in a direct line, and the road may wind much."
These seem to indicate only two gates for the whole of Moria.
"Well, well! ' said the wizard. `The passage is blocked behind us now and there is only one way out – on the other side of the mountains."
"I cannot say,' answered Gandalf. 'It depends on many chances. But going straight, without mishap or losing our way, we shall take three or four marches, I expect. It cannot be less than forty miles from West-door to East-gate in a direct line, and the road may wind much."
These seem to indicate only two gates for the whole of Moria.
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perhaps you're right about he spider way but elesssar i don't thing there was another way except the bridge. if you remember the chapter you will see that the bridge was described as "an ancient defence of the dwarves aginst any enemy who might win the first hall" and i don't think that the dwarves would make another way to counter there own defence.
perhaps you're right about he spider way but elesssar i don't thing there was another way except the bridge. if you remember the chapter you will see that the bridge was described as "an ancient defence of the dwarves aginst any enemy who might win the first hall" and i don't think that the dwarves would make another way to counter there own defence.
Gandalf found another way out, didn't he? Though it was rather a transdimensional backway.
yeah but weren't they at thet time in the habitable parts of moria and much higher than the gates level?
I'd agree with Grondy, he would have scaled some sort of surface, if it were the ceiling or the wall, seems logical as he could in fact scale like a spider. I suppose the only way that he couldn't do that was if the walls/ceilings were completely smooth, after all he actually isn't a spider, otherwise he would have stuck to the walls, he was a "hobbit" once, and I don't remember any record of the bridge's walls, if you can call it that, being completely smooth, I doubt even the Goblins/Orcs could climb that
Maybe the trolls threw him on the other side?? 
Or, maybe he just went out another gate, or a window? The goblins got out somehow, Gollum just followed them.
Well fionwe, its the somehow we're trying to find out how. But i think you're right about gollum following the orcs. Maybe the trolls put slabs of rocks for the orcs to pass?
You create an interesting point Thorin, I don't remember how long the Orcs had taken over parts of Moria, but it must have been a few years or more..... so they would have figured out (as they aren't dumb really) that they need somehow to get across IF the Bridge ever did collapse, so they might have made a sub-route over the years as a sort of defense tactic, similarly to the dwarves as they purposefully made the bridge slim so that not many could pass without getting axes thrown at them. It is a possibility that in that time they could have built something....... there is no record of them building anything but also no record of them not building anything........
What i meant was not that they had built any enduring masonry work but had had the trolls lay slabs as they had done when they had been cut off by the fire. And orcs aren't as stupid as most people think as you rightly pointed out.
Trolls eh??? I don't understand where they could have led the slabs, there was no other place to "lay" them, unless there was, but still, Gandalf fell down to the "longer" route, so there wasn't other ledges that stretched across Khazad-dum that the "trolls" could have layed them on, as Gandalf didn't fall on any. You need a foundation before a structure is built
You don't get my point. what imeant was that the trolls simply layed down the rock on both side of the ledge. to make you understand what i'm trying to say i'll use an example. take two books and put them about 15 cm away from each other and then put a ruler of about 20 cm on them and you get my point.