Thread: Gollum in the Undying Lands
I've been gone for a long time being busy with sewing things that took a lot of concentration and time but while I was busy I had a thought: Gollum died in the fires of Mount Doom but if he had not, if the ring had been destroyed without his being killed, would he have been entitled to go to the Undying Lands with the other Ringbearers? I can't imagine that he would have wanted to go but what would the Elves and the Valar have thought?
He would have most certainly not been granted access to such a sacred place.
He was not wholely evil of cource and there was yet a change that he could be healed but being lived so long i think that sadly he would have died the second when the ring was destroyed.
He was not wholely evil of cource and there was yet a change that he could be healed but being lived so long i think that sadly he would have died the second when the ring was destroyed.
I think he was destined to die with the ring. But if he didn't he certainly wouldn't be allowed to go to Valinor thought he might try to follow the grey ship disguised as a log! 
Anyway I think that he would absolutely refuse to board a ship where there would be fierce elves with bright eyesses!
Anyway I think that he would absolutely refuse to board a ship where there would be fierce elves with bright eyesses!
Gollum couldn't survive without the Ring, it had kept him alive far beyond his natural life span. He lived only because of it. Bilbo too was kept young by the Ring, but he hadn't been kept alive beyond what was natural.
Bilbo stayed young while he had the ring and after he gave it to Frodo he started an accelerated aging; when the ring was destroyed he looked his actual age.
Gollum was born TA c. 2430 and took the Ring from Deagol in TA 2463 (according to Appendix B to LotR.) This would make him about 589 years old when the Ring and he were destroyed. I believe had he not gone into the fiery Crack of Doom with the Ring, but had stayed alive with Frodo and Sam, after it and Frodo's finger somehow slipped out of his hand, then his physical body would have started reverting towards his actual age and he would soon have died a desiccated husk full of failed organs. Almost like a staked vampire, but not yet crumbling to dust. Much more better the Professor's ending.
He would never have been allowed into the West, because he had gained the Ring through murder.
If hobbits are of mankind, and Gollum was a hobbit, does this make him one of, if not the oldest Man?
Gollum was born TA c. 2430 and took the Ring from Deagol in TA 2463 (according to Appendix B to LotR.) This would make him about 589 years old when the Ring and he were destroyed. I believe had he not gone into the fiery Crack of Doom with the Ring, but had stayed alive with Frodo and Sam, after it and Frodo's finger somehow slipped out of his hand, then his physical body would have started reverting towards his actual age and he would soon have died a desiccated husk full of failed organs. Almost like a staked vampire, but not yet crumbling to dust. Much more better the Professor's ending.
He would never have been allowed into the West, because he had gained the Ring through murder.
If hobbits are of mankind, and Gollum was a hobbit, does this make him one of, if not the oldest Man?
Ah, yes, you all have pointed out things that I forgot about. I suppose he was the oldest man, Grond..
For more on the subject of the oldest man, see The Most Long Lived Man.
Meanwhile back to Gollum and: would he have, could he have been invited to Valinor, if he had.....
Meanwhile back to Gollum and: would he have, could he have been invited to Valinor, if he had.....
i believe that smeagol if he truly could have been cured would have love the ocean and he would go whit the elves even though he long hated them. for i believe that the ring used ts power on gollum in such a way that it inspired great hatred torwards elves even thought smeagol himself didn't actually hate the elves... he might have feared them thought.