I was wondering, as I often do, especially now that I've found this group:
Has anyone else noticed that the greatest student in all of Middle-Earth is Galadriel? Probably because she is oldest surviving Noldo in Middle-Earth and the third-oldest Elf mentioned in the books. (Cirdan the Shipwright is the oldest, and Celeborn I would put at second.)
I can name two separate instances of what she did that she must have learned from someone else:
First of all, she learned a lot from Melian the Maia, wife of Elwe Singollo and mother of Luthien. As you recall, after the return of Morgoth to Middle-Earth after slaying the Two Trees and the theft of the Silmarils, she surrounded the Kingdom of Doriath with an unseen wall of shadows and bewilderment: the Girdle of Melian, so that no one could enter against her will or the will of the King, unless they had a power greater than hers. (Imagine if she had used her Bra instead of her Girdle!) Galdriel was able to do something similar in Lothlorien in the Third Age. As stated in the Appendices, the Power that dwelt there was too great for any to overcome, unless Sauron had come there himself. Even the Ringwraiths all together wouldn't have been able to conquer Lorien, unless Sauron was there to lead them personally. She was able to use the White Ring, Nenya, to strengthen the defenses, but I'm willing to bet that she learned that particular trick from Melian. After all, it is clearly stated that the power of the Three Rings was in Making, Healing, and Preserving things unstained by time.
The second example is the Phial of Galadriel. In her own way, she learned from Feanor and made a kind of Silmaril. She did just what he did: she trapped the light of the Silmaril in the waters of her Mirror (which is her version of the Palantiri, which were also made by Feanor) and then enclosed it in the crystal phial. Unlike the actual Silmarils, the Phial could be broken, and its power was finite, as Sam learned when he pulled it out in the Samath Naur, the Crack of Doom, and found that its light was weak so deep in the heart of Sauron's realm.
The Phial also hearkens back to the Feanorian lamps used by the Noldor in the First Age, (see The Unfinished Tales, Chapter One, Of Tuor and His Coming to Gondolin ) but while these lamps were indeed marvelously made and unquenchable, they did not have the power of the Phial.
These are just two examples that I could think of, or three examples, if you count the Mirror, but I'm sure there are others. I look forward to the responses this post generates, whether agreeing with me or disputing my arguments, or just commenting in general.
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I am quite Galadriel challenged, I admire her but know little about her or earlier years, the little trivia that everyone else and their pets know, but I am very willing to learn.
Grondy dear, Vir? Anyone?
Grondy dear, Vir? Anyone?
Don't ask me about that woman. I was extremely disappointed when she rejected the "dark side" in favour of diminishing and going into the West.
But at least she went into the West alone, without her garden lord, son of one red cutie Muppet.
Of the Eldar, perhaps. But we must not forget the Avari who most probably never left Middle-eart after they rejected following Oromë to Aman.
But at least she went into the West alone, without her garden lord, son of one red cutie Muppet.
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As you recall, after the return of Morgoth to Middle-Earth after slaying the Two Trees and the theft of the Silmarils, she surrounded the Kingdom of Doriath with an unseen wall of shadows and bewilderment: the Girdle of Melian, so that no one could enter against her will or the will of the King, unless they had a power greater than hers.
Or one driven by a fate stronger than hers.As you recall, after the return of Morgoth to Middle-Earth after slaying the Two Trees and the theft of the Silmarils, she surrounded the Kingdom of Doriath with an unseen wall of shadows and bewilderment: the Girdle of Melian, so that no one could enter against her will or the will of the King, unless they had a power greater than hers.
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Probably because she is oldest surviving Noldo in Middle-Earth and the third-oldest Elf mentioned in the books. (Cirdan the Shipwright is the oldest, and Celeborn I would put at second.)
Probably because she is oldest surviving Noldo in Middle-Earth and the third-oldest Elf mentioned in the books. (Cirdan the Shipwright is the oldest, and Celeborn I would put at second.)
Of the Eldar, perhaps. But we must not forget the Avari who most probably never left Middle-eart after they rejected following Oromë to Aman.
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The second example is the Phial of Galadriel. In her own way, she learned from Feanor and made a kind of Silmaril. She did just what he did: she trapped the light of the Silmaril in the waters of her Mirror (which is her version of the Palantiri, which were also made by Feanor) and then enclosed it in the crystal phial.
The second example is the Phial of Galadriel. In her own way, she learned from Feanor and made a kind of Silmaril. She did just what he did: she trapped the light of the Silmaril in the waters of her Mirror (which is her version of the Palantiri, which were also made by Feanor) and then enclosed it in the crystal phial.
I was about the refute this bit about her trapping the light of the Silmaril in the phial, until I remembered that it was the Silmaril that gave light to Eärendil's star. - this trapping can be found during the gift giving of their 'Farewell to Lórien' in FotR.
That is very enchanting and hard to comprehend. How does one trap light I wonder. In the world apart from Middle-Earth if you hold a vial in sunlight with or without the cap on it is there and is quite lovely. But once you walk into the dark it is gone. I wish I knew how it was done.
I guess you can call her the Thomas Edison of her time. 
I wonder what other channels she got on her Mirror? Cable or Satellite?

I wonder what other channels she got on her Mirror? Cable or Satellite?
That just HAS to go on a t-shirt . Great........

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I guess you can call her the Thomas Edison of her time.
I guess you can call her the Thomas Edison of her time.
She was more the Marie Curie of her time. That'd explain Frodo perceiving her as slightly transparant.
I thought she had a radient glow about her.
One, I think can both glow and have a transparency at the same time. She was very very much something that a dwarf should be so smitten with her luminous beauty, so much so that he was willing to do a sort of suel with a certain elf over which was the more gloriously beautiful, lady Galadriel or lady Arwen, the Evenstar of her people.
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so much so that he was willing to do a sort of suel with a certain elf over which was the more gloriously beautiful, lady Galadriel or lady Arwen, the Evenstar of her people.
so much so that he was willing to do a sort of suel with a certain elf over which was the more gloriously beautiful, lady Galadriel or lady Arwen, the Evenstar of her people.
Nay, 'twas a duel with one of the Éorlingas.
Quite a waste of time too, imho. If Arwen really was the likeness of Lúthien, it's a no brainer who was most beautiful.
Then again, I guess being ensnared in the webs of a cruel, pale enchantress of the woods makes one a bit irrational. Or maybe he simply failed to understand that the Dark Queen's seemingly gracious words to him in Caras Galadhon were merely wickedly concealed sarcastic jabs.
And Gimli was further ensorceled by the three golden hairs she overtly placed upon his person to ensure his enrapture was complete. 

Which he said he was going to place in imperishable crystal as a symbol of friendship between the people of the Mountain and of the Wood. And he was ready to duel with Eomer himself about who was more beautiful, Arwen or Galadriel. Gimli was more drawn toward the morning rather than the evening.
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'Alas!' said Eomer. 'I will not say that she is the fairest lady that lives.'
'Then I must go for my axe,' said Gimli.
'But first I will plead this excuse,' said Eomer. 'Had I seen her in other company, I would have said all that you could wish. But now I will put Queen Arwen Evenstar first, and I am ready to do battle on my own part with any who deny me, Shall I call for my sword?'
Then Gimli bowed low. 'Nay, you are excused for my part, lord,' he said. 'You have chosen the Evening; but my love is given to the Morning. And my heart forebodes that soon it will pass away for ever.' - from 'Many Partings' in The Return of the King.
'Alas!' said Eomer. 'I will not say that she is the fairest lady that lives.'
'Then I must go for my axe,' said Gimli.
'But first I will plead this excuse,' said Eomer. 'Had I seen her in other company, I would have said all that you could wish. But now I will put Queen Arwen Evenstar first, and I am ready to do battle on my own part with any who deny me, Shall I call for my sword?'
Then Gimli bowed low. 'Nay, you are excused for my part, lord,' he said. 'You have chosen the Evening; but my love is given to the Morning. And my heart forebodes that soon it will pass away for ever.' - from 'Many Partings' in The Return of the King.
So the age of chivalry had not yet passed away in that age. I think this passage is even sadder than that when Gimli speaks to Legolas of his sorrow upon leaving Lothlorien at the beginning of their boat trip down the Anduin, found near the end of The Fellowship of the Ring.
But at least Gimli was allowed to pass into the West with Legolas and to (supposedly) see Galadriel again. Whereas Arwen chose mortality and died out of the world shortly after Aragorn/Elessar died.
Ah, but would Arwen not share in the gift that Illuvatar bestows upon the 2nd born, the race of mortal men, where Eomer could then see her again in the fulfilment of the 3rd music?
Yes, but then Arwen would more likely be interested in seeing Aragorn, her Elessar, rather than Eomer. My mind often slips a cog now and then too, and we knew what Tinúviel really meant. 

And since Éomer soon had a wife himself after the War of the Ring, he wasn't allowed anymore to mention, let alone think, that there might be other women more beautiful than his own.
I am quite certain, that Eomer, having fallen deeply in love, no longer thought any but his beloved to now be the most beautiful ever. 

Yes, yes, I'm sure Arwen and Aragorn only had eyes for each other and likewise Eomer and his wife... all I was saying is that it wasn't the end of Arwen, just cos she chose immortality.
Here would come Clover's Love Triangles again, we never did mention Éomer?
There are really too many to say... All main characters did get someone in the end, whether a close friend or a love... I like to think that Arwen is still with Elessar, standing atop the hill where she died... The memory still lingering ever after... a respectful end.
There are really too many to say... All main characters did get someone in the end, whether a close friend or a love... I like to think that Arwen is still with Elessar, standing atop the hill where she died... The memory still lingering ever after... a respectful end.I like to think at times she finally came to her senses after the death of King Elessar the Mad, revoked the Choice of Lúthien, journeyed to the Undying Lands and married Legolas.
At least that would've been less melodramatic.
At least that would've been less melodramatic.
And would leaver us in stiches instead of all those tears.
I wonder why none of the Valar chose to take up the job of representing Love.


