From the very start I have capitulated the possibility that maybe the islands in question are simply not under consideration in certain passages. Nonetheless the passages are arguably part of the picture, considering that they refer to a land that had been destroyed, and yet also mention an exception that survived (Lindon).
Including Christopher's own entry in the Silmarillion (added below and also new to the thread), that makes at least three texts with respect to the drowning of Beleriand that fail to mention the isles (but do reference Lindon), along with Tolkien-revised maps that show no isles (including no maps published in Tolkien's day), along with the indication of Treebeard's chant that Dorthonion was under the Sea.
'Beleriand (...) Beleriand was broken in the turmoils at the end of the First Age, and invaded by the Sea, so that only Ossiriand (Lindon) remained' C. Tolkien, Index of Names 1977 Silmarillion
Yes, it's still possible that these examples might simply be leaving out the detail for whatever reason. But the examples pile up in any case.
Anyone have anything on the two Tol Galen questions I posed today?
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What were your questions regarding Tol Galen? I cannot find them.
This part (from earlier today)...
And I mean 'on the map' of course, with respect to a scale of miles -- admittedly really not about Tol Galen so much as about if a scale of miles was later provided in the Silmarillion itself (to possibly help in judging the distance from Himring to Tol Galen), and about these mountains near the isle.
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I don't have any recent editions of The Silmarillion, do newer versions include a scale of miles?
Interesting that the later Silmarillion map (War of the Jewels) shows a small line of mountains extending South from the main chain 'around' Tol Galen (not wholly around it to the South or West however). Christopher remarks: 'L 14-15 The mountains on these squares, extending northward onto K-15, were pencilled in very rapidly, and those to the north of Tol Galen were possibly cancelled.'
I was wondering if any of these mountains appear in later editions (mine date from the 1970s)
I don't have any recent editions of The Silmarillion, do newer versions include a scale of miles?
Interesting that the later Silmarillion map (War of the Jewels) shows a small line of mountains extending South from the main chain 'around' Tol Galen (not wholly around it to the South or West however). Christopher remarks: 'L 14-15 The mountains on these squares, extending northward onto K-15, were pencilled in very rapidly, and those to the north of Tol Galen were possibly cancelled.'
I was wondering if any of these mountains appear in later editions (mine date from the 1970s)
And I mean 'on the map' of course, with respect to a scale of miles -- admittedly really not about Tol Galen so much as about if a scale of miles was later provided in the Silmarillion itself (to possibly help in judging the distance from Himring to Tol Galen), and about these mountains near the isle.