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If it's any comfort Grondy, I have a few friends who are well in to their 50's and 60's. Nothing wrong with old-timers, you guys know all the best places to eat! But alas, yes my school year begins in late August. In addition to this, my school only goes for 16 week semesters instead of the 18 of most schools. We even get a fall break to even out our spring break. Everyone else hates us!!!
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Tom I'd love to have your quiz as well.
-moonstar


Sorry for the delay, Moonstar, the quiz is coming your way now! Big Smile Smilie

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i'm an undergraduate in the States. school ended for me in the first week of May. that's why i was shocked!


Super Wow Smilie That really is a short school period! Even if you do start in August, with the fall break and the other holidays, your schoolyear is very short compared to ours over here. Secondary school starts on the first of September here. They get one week off in November, two weeks for the Christmas Holidays, one week in February and two weeks around Easter. Oh yes, some occasional official days off as well. Secondary schools end the schoolyear on the 30th of June (which is officially a day off).

Higher education schools start at the end of September (normally last week) and most end differently. We get our results tomorrow, while in other schools they don't get them until next week. That's all very different. But as for holidays: two weeks around Christmas, two weeks around Easter and then the occasional official day off.
Anybody working on another Trivia Quiz for us? Do we have to wait until school starts again when many won't have the time to participate in a new quiz? Just wondering? One Eye Smilie Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I think Mellie, Findekanu, Peredhil and Uruk_Slayer were all working on some. I'm afraid I've been a bit rushed at work over the past few weeks to be getting on with one myself.
I don't have time to do one now either, I'll be gone until the beginning of August, but I thought Findekano and Uruk_slayer had one ready? Question Smilie

I can start working on one somewhere in September, I think. Meanwhile, enjoy the other quizzes all, and if you have one ready yourself, I think you're free to post one, right council? Tongue Smilie
I'll have a short quiz up and ready for you all in less than a week. That is a promise!
Mine will be some time yet.
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I'll have a short quiz up and ready for you all in less than a week. That is a promise!


Great! Oh drat, I'll be on holiday next week. But I'll be sure to check here when I get back. Thumbs Up Smilie

Just as with any other quiz, I'll give everyone up to a month to complete it. Unfortunately, since my computer isn't working and I only use my girlfriend's computer, I do my best to get back to everyone on answers and corrections.
Okay everyone, here it is. It's short (20 questions) and is taken from Sil and UT. Just thought that that might be a little help. Big Smile Smilie

Remember to please private postBody me the answers or email them to me at hoangdav@yahoo.com. The cutoff date for this quiz is going to be August 7th. Any responses after that won't be guaranteed an answer!

Which two men accompanied Turin to kill Glaurung?
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What is the Annon-in-Geldh?
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Which king built Minas Tirith and on what isle was it built on?
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Whose name means "Sharp Glance"?
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What hill was also known as the Hill of Spies?
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Which tributary of Gelion originates from Mount Rerir?
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Who was the father of Voronwe?
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Who said, "Their swords and their counsels shall have two edges"?
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Who was it that Finrod loved that did not go into exile?
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Explain how Brandir was related to Turin by blood and marriage.
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Finish this quote: "Doubtless Morgoth, since he can make no living thing, bred Orcs from various kinds of Men, but the _______ must have escaped his Shadow"
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Who was "strong of body, mind, and will, a match for both the loremasters and the atheletes of the Eldar in the days of their youth"?
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What were Turin's words that Tuor heard when the two kinsmen crossed paths for the first and only time?
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Who was "the mightiest of the warriors of motal men"?
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Who said "Half-brother in blood, full brother in heart will I be" and to whom?
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Who claimed that "Dwarves delved the halls of Nulukkizdin"?
19.

Who was "the greatest of Eldar surviving in Middle-earth, was potent mainly in wisdom and goodness, as a director or counsellor in the struggle, unconquerable in resistance but incapable of punitive action"?
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[Edited on 17/7/2003 by uruk_slayer]
Good one Uruk Slayer, I look forward to taking it. Happy Elf Smilie

You may wish to edit it to include a request: That members shouldn't post their answers in the forum, but to PM or email them to you, (if you can check your email at your friends address, and to also post the cutoff date that you want all entries returned.

Thanks Orc With Thumbs Up Smilie
Uruk Slayer your quiz is wonderful. I began working on it this afternoon and I only have 4 1/2 questions left. The questions with quotes in them are tough, however, that is great. Working on your quiz has given me the incentive to start my own quiz. I only have a few questions completed so far, although it is coming along quite nicely.


Mellie
Hahahaahaa! At last, another quiz! Thanks very much, Uruk_slayer! I'll know what to do in my holidays now. Big Smile Smilie I'll start working on it right now. Smile Smilie
I'm glad everyone likes the quiz. I know i appreciate it when others take the time to come up with a great challenge for me and i'm glad to reciprocate. And thanks to Grondy for reminding me about editing my post for policy stuff!
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What is the Annon-in-Geldh?


If you mean the Annon-in-Gelydh, I'd be most glad, but if you mean the Annon-in-Geldh, I'm utterly and thorougly lost. Orc Going Huh Smilie

For all the rest I only have #15 left to solve, but that's a hard one, man!
I really enjoyed that quiz, Uruk_slayer. I'm glad you made one up. (I finally find a site with good quizzes! Big Smile Smilie ) By the way, to everyone, I finished making a quiz (75 questions), and might post it after the cutoff for this current quiz. Smile Smilie Though if people want a short, er... intermission between quizzes they can p-m me. Or if someone else already has dibs on quizmaking...etc. Either way, let me know what I should do (post it after August 7, or not).

[Edited on 7/24/2003 by Arcormacolindóva]
Personally, Arcormacolindova, I wouldn't mind if you posted your quiz on here at the same time. Some people (like me) enjoy the challenge.
Well, I'm back from camp with a 75-question quiz, so here it is. Same rules; please private postBody me the answers, do not post your answers here! . The cutoff date is September 2nd; any responses after that will not be counted.

In what chapter of LotR was the phrase "Abidath cuman uncuthe!" used? By whom? What does it mean?
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Where and what is Írensaga?
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What is another name for the Bridge of Khazad-dûm?
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How old was Tar-Míriel (Ar-Zimraphel) when she died?
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Who said, "Yet the One was lost, and while it still lies hid, we can master the Enemy..."?
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How many steps led up to the threshold of Orthanc?
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Tolkien once wrote in a letter concerning LotR, "I wisely started with a ___, and made the story fit."
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Who were the grandsons of Lúthien Tinúviel?
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What tongue did the Olog-hai speak?
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Who was Komosot?
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"Komosot" was slain how many years after the Noldor came back to Middle-Earth?
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What is another name for Mar-nu-Falmar?
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Mount Dolmed was nearest to which Dwarf-cities?
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The Birchwoods of Nimbrethil were in what land?
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What flower bloomed in Doriath when Tinúviel was born?
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Who was Kalimac Brandagamba?
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What was Samwise Gamgee's birthday rumored to be?
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What was the birthday (month, number, and year) of Elessar Telcontar?
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Which twin brothers were buried in Haudh-in-Gwanur?
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Who were #s 24 and 25 sons of?
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Who was called Béma by Men?
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What tongue did the Stone-trolls use?
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What was the name of Thorin II Oakenshield's wife?
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In the lore of Rohan, what was Théoden's surname?
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What was Éomer's surname?
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Who was Helm Hammerhand's sister?
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Did Eldarion have any sisters?
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What was absent in the night sky of Lothlórien?
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What emblem did the Orcs of Minas Morgul use?
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Who used the phrase "...as hopeless as a frost in spring?"
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Which stream sung about by the Silvan Elves once had golden flowers floating in its foam, and a rainbow on its falls?
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What color swans did the Fellowship encounter in the Brown Lands?
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Frodo first beheld Weathertop how many years after the destruction of its tower?
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Which hobbit in the Fellowship was born one year prior to Éomer?
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Who was older, Pippin or Merry, and by how many years?
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Who was said to look more like an Elven-maid than a hobbit?
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The hobbit that #43 married had the same first name as that of a son of which King of Rohan?
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How many children with Rosie did Sam have?
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Who made the lament called "Noldolantë"?
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Who / what was Gil-Estel?
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Who prepared a secret way out of Gondolin?
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What is eäruilë?
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What are two other names of asëa aranion?
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Which one does not belong in this group, and why?
Aeglos, alfirin, coimas, elanor, lissuin, mallos, niphredil, seregon, simbelmynë, and uilos.
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What is the Quenya name of Ar-Abattârik?
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Who was master of Telchar of Nogrod?
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What do "lairelossë, laurinquë, malinornë, oiolairë, nessamelda, taniquelassë, vardarianna, and yavannamírë" have in common?
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What color were the fruits of yavannamírë?
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Where did the things mentioned in #56 exist?
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What was Cirion's Oath (write the words)?
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What was Elendil's badge?
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What was a sandastan (thangail)?
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What was a nernehta (dírnaith)?
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A lár was about how many miles?
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What color were the flowers of aeglos?
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Which Gate of Gondolin was the last wrought by Turgon before the Nirnaeth Arnoediad?
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An Elf of which people wrote the Aldudénië?
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The Lord of the Falathrim was whom?
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Alcarinquë, Carnil, Elemmírë, Helluin, Luinil, Lumbar, Morwinyon, and Nénar are all _____.
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In what ship did the first Númenórean to reach Middle-Earth travel?
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Who was the 3rd son of Brego? Who claimed descent from him?
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Where would you find Anarríma, Menelmacar, Soronúmë, Telumendil, Valacirca, and Wilwarin? (Be very specific)
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Which does not belong?
Belthil, Culúrien, Laurelin, and Malinalda.
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Who is the Vala and Arata that is the sister of Námo and Irmo?
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What is the Rohirric (and Westron) name for a talan (like found in Lothlórien?
75.

Bonus: How many miles east of the gorge of Nargothrond were the falls of Sirion?
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Wow this certainly looks like a hard one, but I'm going to give it a try. Thanks Arcormacolindóva! Thumbs Up Smilie
Thanks, Tom. I've been paranoid for a couple days because no one was posting any comments or sending me pms about it. I knew it'd take time, but it felt like no one knew it existed! Love your sig. Big Smile Smilie
Arcormacolindóva, I was still trying to finish Uruk_slayer's quiz, which I had to send in with three unanswered and one guess. It was a good quiz, but I have trouble remembering who said what, especially if it is from the SIL or UT.

REMEMBER TODAY IS THE DEADLINE TO GET URUK_SLAYER'S QUIZ BACK TO HIM VIA PM. However, if you send it to him tomorrow, I doubt if you would be penalized.
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Love your sig.


Thanks Arcomacolindóva! Big Smile Smilie

Ok some questions for you:

# 14: Can't find this one, but I'm sure he exists because we have/had a member by that name. Driving me crazy this one, and the next one too of course.
# 29: Are you sure about this one? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Every source I find states: no record of any wife or children.
# 52: Ok I have a problem here. There are two things there that don't fit the general line. I don't know what to do here really, I think I'll pm you about this one.
#14: Yes, he exists, but only in a premature version of Tolkien's writings. He was soon writen over. If you have BoLT 1, it might be advantageous to check Smile Smilie
#29: The way I wrote the question might happen to be...misleading.
#52: Recheck the definitions of those two you mentioned in the pm. One has multiple meanings.
Hope I helped. Wink Smilie
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BoLT 1


What's that? I'm sure it's some book I don't have. Tongue Smilie

Yes you certainly helped a lot, Arcomacolindova, but I'm still in the dark about #29. I know you can't say more though. Smile Smilie

I was thinking maybe it would be a big help to the others if you told them what you've told me in your pm about the first question. Because I'm not so sure everyone will get that one the way it is. And a hint about the language would be very welcome there. If you're willing of course. Smile Smilie I know you gave me a lot of hints already, but it *is* a very hard quiz. Cool Smilie Big Smile Smilie
Sorry, I just solved part of my own questions. Big Smile Smilie I'm better than I thought. lol

Yeah, I solved #14 and #15, found those in where you said I'd find them. Figured out what BoLT means, thanks a lot! Smile Smilie *happy now* Juggling Smilie
All right, I'll give everyone a hint on #1. First of all, you MUST do #3 before you attempt the first one. It is found in LotR, but you'll not find it looking in LotR. (Huh?)
Example: If I asked you to find a phrase (which is in LotR),
"A Galad ven i reniar," you would not see those words anywhere in LotR, though they're in LotR.
Explanation: It says Gildor Inglorion sang "O Light to us who wander here" in Sindarin. Basically, it WAS in there, Tolkien just didn't give the actual Sind. words; and put it into English instead. Not that #1 is Sindarin or anything Ha Ha Ha Smilie Na-na-na-na-na Smilie Very Big Grin Smilie
Oh, and about the language #1 is in? Read Smilie Teacher Smilie
It is a slow tongue, with a strong music to it. It is rich and rolling; and also hard and stern, laden with sadness.
And I guess I'll give you all an example of the language.

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Lôgrad


Unfortunately, Tolkien usually represented this language by another, because of its analogy to Westron like to another language to English. Therefore the phrase mentioned is in the "other language," not the real language it was in. I.e. if Tolkien translated the Red Book from Westron, this phrase "Abidath..." would be in the new, translated version, not the old version. In the Red Book it would be in the language it was beforehand; but this example (abidath) is in the translated version, an analogy to English like the orig. lang. was 2 Westron.

All right, if you don't understand now, my explanations are hopeless. If you TRULY read this and go "huh?," pm me and I'll tell u what lang "Abidath" is in. OK?
Or, instead of pming me, just read my journal.
Ferðu hál!
Hey everyone! I'm back and i've got the results of my quiz. Unfortunately, only three people submitted answers but they all did well. If there are any requests for extensions, i'd be more than happy to accomodate them. In the meantime, i'm going to try to work on Arcormacolindóva's quiz. Good luck to the rest of you who are doing the same!
Only 3 ? What the... How could that happen? Shocked Smilie So Angry Smilie
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Only 3 ? What the... How could that happen? Shocked Smilie So Angry Smilie
If you haven't noticed, the number of members actively posting this month is quite small. I don't blame the rest of them wanting to lay on the beach, go sailing, or hiking in the mountains in this, the Northern Hemisphere's height of Summer. However, I am sorry for those of you who have been experiencing those ungodly triple digit temperatures (above 37 C), especially when our highs are back in the 70-80 F range with cloudless skies and a nice sea breeze.

Oh, and I only missed four of Uruk_slayer's questions. Happy Elf Smilie
I think I did better than you Grondy! Tongue Smilie

Thanks so much for all the tips, Arcormacolindova! I don't think I would have found anything if you hadn't told me where to look. Well, where to look, gave away the language. Smile Smilie Thanks! Cool Smilie
You're welcome! Wink Smilie

(And I think I did better than Grondy too, ha!!
None wrong and perfect spelling and grammar, beat that!)
I know, it's not a competition...
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Unfortunately, only three people submitted answers but they all did well.
Sorry I wasn't able to participate myself, Uruk. The past month I've been rather preoccupied with work, moving house, and then going on holiday. I'm still surrounded by boxes of possessions and clothes scattered everywhere, so it might take me a while before I feel anything like normal again.

When I first posted these types of quizzes I thought I might be inundated with replies, but it is not actually the case. Generally less than half a dozen members actually post in their answers.
uruk_slayer, I am sorry I did not send in my reply. I forgot all about it. I will finish it up and the get to work on the next quiz. I am very glad that people are making these wonderful quizes. I just wish I had more time to work on them.
Good to hear Melli, i'm glad to have another person take my quiz. Take your time with it and i'll pm your results.
Greetings all. I know this post is labeled as uruk_slayer, but he is not here right now. He is graciously allowing me to use his ID until such time comes when I am able to establish my own separate presence here. For the time being, you may refer to me as Melorelin.

For several months, uruk_slayer and I have been working together on answering the trivia questions posted in these forums. Many are the days when we spread the books across my living room floor to search for answers. Big Smile Smilie Which brings me to the reason for this post.

I've been working on the newest quiz, and some of the answers are being more elusive than is generally their habit. I believe between the two of us we have access to: the Hobbit, the LoTR, SIL, UT, Lays of Beleriand, the Atlas of Middle Earth, and the Languages of Tolkien's Middle-Earth by Ruth Noel.

My question is this: are there any answers among these 75 that may not be found within the texts I have mentioned above? If you do not wish to reply for all to see, you may PM me at andra2001@yahoo.com.

Namarie,
Melorelin

"Elen sila lumenn omentielvo."
(A star shines on the hour of our meeting)
I suppose I'll tell everyone which books I own. (and have used)
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The Hobbit
LotR
The Silmarillion
Unfinished Tales
Book of Lost Tales I
The Lost Road and Other Writings
The Treason of Isengard
Master of Middle-Earth, by Paul H. Kocher


I used some of these. Wink Smilie
Tick tick tick tick...
Only 11 days left!
(Then if no one answers I'll have to extend it Smile Smilie
I will send you my answers soon Arco. I still don't have access to PT at home, I'm in Ghent now, in my room, studying. Animated Wink Smilie
I think I might extend the due date a bit. So far I only have answers from uruk_slayer. Sad Smilie

~ Arco Nimruzîr
And mine. Big Smile Smilie

I was just wondering who's working on the next quiz. Anyone? Question Smilie
Not me! I'm already too busy as it is. I'll try to keep up with things here but it's hard and will continue to be for the next few months.
I'm afraid work committments are taking their toll on my spare time too. Now that I've lost my broadband connection too, I'm struggling to keep up with the forum with the few hours I have available. When things settle down a bit I'll try to get another together, but it'll be a while.
Well I have an idea for my next one, but it will need some more time (a lot more time, at least two more weeks), but I thought there were others working on one too? Peredhil I thought was one of them? Yes indeed:

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Mine will be some time yet.

Posted on 5/7

And before that Findekano said s/he (sorry!) was also working on a short one. So I think one of them could have one ready.
I am working on a quiz myself again, it will have 100 questions and it has, let's say, a sort of special format. Anyway, it'll take some time yet, at the earliest next week. Juggling Smilie

Anyone out there who has one ready before then? Waving Hello Smilie Question Smilie
Not much going on here apparently, to say the least. WAKE UP!!! lol

Ok I'll try to put up my quiz next week. Any objections/comments? Orc Going Huh Smilie
Big Smile Smilie Wink Smilie Uh-oh, 'special format??'
This could be challenging. Tongue Smilie
And you're right that no one is really doing anything in here.

I don't have any objections.
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WAKE UP!!!

haha
Arcormacolindóva, I have a question about one of the answers to the quiz. Number 9 "How many steps led up to the threshold of Orthanc?" Where did you find the answer 22? On TTT page 214 (begining part of Ch 10 if you have a different copy) it says "Up to the threshhold of the door there mounted a flight of twenty-seven broad stairs..."

As regards a new quiz, I can't wait for another challenge! Smile Smilie
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