A thought about ents

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Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Wow. That's an excellent observation. And I think that you are right. I wonder if they are maiar that took a physical form while in ME like the Istari or are something else all together. I wander why the elves and the ents fell away from each other. Though, I also wonder why the elves drift away from everyone. I guess cause their just self interested. Anyway, I wonder what really happened to the Entwives. Where did they go? It would be nice to think that they all found each other again.
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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I wonder what really happened to the Entwives. Where did they go? It would be nice to think that they all found each other again

Tolkien had been asked this question many times and responded:
From Tolkien's letter#144
I think that in fact the Entwives had disappeared for good, being destroyed with their gardens in the War of the Last Alliance (Second Age 3429-3441) when Sauron pursued a scorched policy and burned their land against the advance of the Allies down the Anduin.

I, too, think the Ents were spirits summoned by Yavanna, however, there are many who believe they were Maiar.

We discussed the Ents in Week 6 of our weekly courses.
Go to Misc/Tolkien Weekly Courses to read the lesson summary and the log from the online discussion.

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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

About the Entwives, an interesting thing is said by Samwise in the chapter 'The Shadow of the Past' during the scene in The Green Dragon:

"All right," said Sam, laughing with the rest. "But what about these Tree-men, these giants, as you might call them? They do say that one bigger than a tree was seen up away beyond the North Moors not long back."

"Who's they ?"

"My cousin Hal for one. He works for Mr. Boffin at Overhill and goes up to the Northfarthing for the hunting. He saw one."

"Says he did, perhaps. Your Hal's always saying he's seen things; and maybe he sees things that ain't there."

"But this one was as big as an elm tree, and walking - walking seven yards to a stride, if it was an inch"

"Then I bet it wasn't an inch. What he saw was an elm tree, as like as not"

"But this one was walking, I tell you; and there ain't no elm tree on the North Moors."

Certainly what Hal saw was an Ent. But it would seem to me that if there were Ents in Eriador, Treebeard would know about them... unless they were Entwives ;)
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I was actually just thinking about that passage from the book because in it, it give the measurment of an entstride which is one of the many things that I have long thought about (along with many other distances as well).

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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Oh yeah...how long were the entstrides? Hmmm maybe I should look it up.

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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

"But this one was as big as an elm tree, and walking - walking seven yards to a stride, if it was an inch"
Twenty-one feet per stride might be an exaggeration? Treebeard was at least fourteen feet high per TTT so if we give him eight foot long legs, that would be about the maximum length of his stride when walking (consider an equilateral triangle made up of his two legs and his stride length). Accordingly, for an Ent to make a 21 foot stride I'd expect it to be 40 foot tall which might be right for the tenders of Tolkien's taller trees. The Ents resembling the fir the book says were the tallest. So Maybe what cousin Hal saw was truly an ent and not an Entwife, for the Entwives shouldn't be nearly that tall. :teacher:

'Hrum Hoom,' I wonder how tall the tenders of our Giant Sequoias, Redwoods, or even old growth Douglas Fir would be? :elkgrin:
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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Ent wives or not, walking and talking trees would be a welcome sight in this world. Poor ents, no women, I always wished JRR would have solved that, but I guess ssadness and longing are part of life as well. :smoke:

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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I think that if JRR Tolkein solved the ent problem there wouldn't be any female ents because i think they are born like trees.

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Post#9 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

That's good, except trees can be male or female.
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Yes they can!
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