where did hobbits come from?

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where did hobbits come from?

Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Very good question Tar which I have often wondered myself. After all the dwarves are as different from men as hobbits and we know from the Silmarillion where they came from.

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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I wish I knew how to explain it but they're kind of a 'branch' off of Men. (not like evolution though)

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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

That is the most probable explaination Laurelin. Welcome to Planet Tolkien, by the way.

They were not created by the Valar, as none of the Valar were capable of granting life. That was the power of Eru alone. Although Aule attempted to create life, the Dwarves he made were unable to function with free thought until Eru gave them power to do so. Without this power, Aule's Dwarves were only able to move etc when he willed them to do so.

Eru's Children were the Elves and Men. Orcs were Melkor's corruption of the former, and were later refined by Sauron and Saruman by crossing them with the latter too. The other "thinking" race was the Ents, but it is hinted that they were inhabited by spirits already in the world at Yavanna's bidding. The Ents are therefore, most likely inhabited by minor Maiar.

In the texts concerning the creation of the "thinking" races there is no mention of the Hobbits. It is likely, then, that they are a branch of one of the other groups, most likely Men. In our own world we have pygmies with an average height not much more than that of the average Hobbit, so it is not too unprobable.

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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Yeah maybe the are the result of a freak excident like a nuclear power plant that exploded??
the radiation caused genetic deformeties etc

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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

When in doubt, turn to the master, himself:

From Tolkien's letters #319:
...my hobbits were in any case of wholly dissimilar sort, a diminutive branch of the human race.

Actually there is a lot of reference to hobbits in The Letters of J R R Tolkien. Apparently he was asked about this very thing many times. In fact Christopher adds in a footnote to Letter #131 that hobbits are a branch of the specifically human race (not Elves or Dwarves)

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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I have sometimes wondered were they came from, but I have never found the answer! I have, of course, only read the books in Icelandic and it is so much different from the movie so I´m going to read it again, but in english instead, and I´m going to read the Hobbit in my school, MA.

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Post#8 » Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:32 am

I am currently reading Unfinished tales, and came across this,
The house of Beor has fallen. If the great house of Haldor falls, in what holes shall the little folk of Haleth creep?.
This was said by Morwen to Hurin.
Hurin replied
They are few and unlearned, but do not doubt their valour, where else is hope.

This is in the chapter, Narn i Hin Hurin

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Post#9 » Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:29 pm

in what holes shall the little folk of Haleth creep?.
The Haleth people (the haladin) where humans, it just means they are few in numbers and have no place to hide. Haleth was their female leader who lead them to safety after her father and brother died. But it sure sounds like they are short people from a place called Haleth, I agree on that!

Maybe Eru let the Hobbits wake up out of harms way and let them live without the influence of elves and men and pure evil to become the special little people we know they are. The Silmarillion is the elves 'history-book', they didn't know about the Hobbits yet so naturaly their origin is not mentioned. Later on they probably forgot where they woke up, I don't think the joy of knowing their family-tree 20 generations back came untill they had made themselves a nice, safe community and got time for other things than staying alive.
"Don't complain under the stars
about the lack of bright spots in you life."
Henrik Wergeland, Norwegian writer

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Post#10 » Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:24 pm

Here is the link from our Weekly Disscusion Course Week 1 - The Nature of Hobbits. If you want to read some of their earliest history, look on the third and fourth pages of the Prologue to The Fellowship of the Ring and also Gandalf's story of Gollum's finding of the Ring about thirteen pages into 'The Shadow of the Past' found in the same book.
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