where are the ents?

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valedhelgwath
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where are the ents?

Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

there is a passing reference to the trees by yavanna in 'of aule and yavanna' as creatures who sang to Illuvatar amid the rain and wind...the word ents not being used explicitly anywhere.
As Virumor mentioned, it is these spirits in the Chapter "Of Aule and Yavanna" which become the ents. Yavanna, concerned for her trees when the Dwarves are created by her husband, pleads with Manwe for something to be done. Manwe converses with Eru, and is shown how Yavanna's singing in the Great Music summoned spirits to enter the trees. It does not mention the name ents specifically, but it is obviously the Ents which are being writen about here.

At the same time it is revealed to Manwe that his own singing, mixed with the themes of Yavanna, in a similar way summoned spirits that would become the Great Eagles.
they are neither valar nor the first nor second born.
As Ea was an empty place until the Valar and Maiar entered it, I believe the summoned spirits that entered the trees and became the ents must have been Maiar. In a similar way to which Maiar took on flesh to become the Istari, I feel others among them had taken form within the trees to become Ents. Like those that became the Istari, those which became ents no doubt also found their powers were weakened due to the burden of flesh.

Only in the early writings were the Valar and Maiar able to procreate, and this ability was soon changed as JRR juggled his world around. The Ents were able to procreate, which does lead to an argument of whether they could be Maiar, but like Melkor, who lost power as he assumed a more corporeal body, thay may have found by leaving most of their Maian abilities behind when taking flesh, they could indeed have children.

I hope this is of some help to you.

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uruk_slayer
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where are the ents?

Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Rather thorough there Val. That's what I was thinking about when I read that for the first time. Ents were referred to as The Shephards of the Trees in that chapter and they are the only ones of plant-life that can move or take action.

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virumor
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where are the ents?

Post#3 » Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:53 pm

Tilion began this thread with the following post

according to the lord of the rings, ents proclaim to be the most ancient of all creatures on middle earth. yet neither the ainulindale not the rest of the silmarillion explains their creation. there is a passing reference to the trees by yavanna in 'of aule and yavanna' as creatures who sang to Illuvatar amid the rain and wind...the word ents not being used explicitly anywhere.
when do the ents come into being then? they are neither valar nor the first nor second born. are they mentioned in any book outside of LOTR, hobbit and silmarillion or was this a lapse in continuity on tolkien's part?


virumor replied

it is explained all right, the ents are spirits sent by Eru on Yavanna's bidding to protect the trees from Aule's dwarves' axes. it is somewhere in the silmarillion : soon after Aule has created the dwarves and Eru decides to keep them alive, Yavanna begins to worry against Eru that the dwarves will destroy the trees or something. check it.

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