dwarfish birth

randalllin
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Post#1 » Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:28 pm

The Silmarillion says that dwarves just pop out of the ground!
WHat?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Vee
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Post#2 » Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:34 pm

Yeah, just when you thought you'd cleared all the Wombles...... the dwarves pop up.

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valedhelgwath
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Post#3 » Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:40 pm

Hi Randalllin. Welcome to Planet Tolkien.

The first Dwarves were created by Aule from stone and given wills by Iluvatar. They became living beings. I think if you read it carefully, you will find the Silmarillion only says that to other races, it may appear as if Dwarves pop out of the ground. They have women-folk who bear their children, just like any other race, but these females are kept guarded and few are ever seen by non-Dwarves. For this reason, the other races at first assumed Dwarves were created from the rocks in which they lived.

randalllin
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Post#4 » Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:10 pm

I was confused because Gimli had said that in "The Two Towers" too!
Thanks!
PS I will reread that part!!!

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bugyfeanor
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Post#5 » Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:34 pm

LOL, Gimli was being sarcastic, don't pay any attention to him! He actually said the Dwarves have women, it's just they look like Dwarf-men! ("It's the beards!" said Aragorn)
Evil may yet be good to have been ... and yet remain evil. (Silmarillion)

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lord aelric
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Post#6 » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:26 am

There's this crappy show on UK TV called "there's something about Miriam", for those who dont know, its basic premise is a reality show with a dozen batchelors all vying for the attentions of this one girl, but she has a secret - she was born a MAN! *ACH* :superscared:

Now it may seem i'm way off the point here, but the whole cross-gender issue can be applied to Dwarf-ladies, imagine the embarressing "accidents" when a potential courtier of a fine looking dwarf lass finds out to his horror or pleasant surprise (depending upon orientation) that what he has fallen for is a Man-Dwarf!

It seems to me that there must be some "secret" way that a Dwarf innately knows male from female to avert this kind event, otherwise it would surely be the in-joke among the humans and elves of Middle-Earth - Or do Dwarf Ladies have stick-on fake beards like in "The Life of Brian"...

:dunce:

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valedhelgwath
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Post#7 » Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:29 pm

Does it actually say anywhere that Dwarven women looked like the Dwarven men, or that they definitely had beards?

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bugyfeanor
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Post#8 » Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:01 pm

I don't think so, Val! At least, not from what I remember. Yet I have a short memory, so...
Evil may yet be good to have been ... and yet remain evil. (Silmarillion)

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rednell
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Post#9 » Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:30 pm

From Appendix A /Lord of the Rings/III Durin's Folk
Dis was the daughter of Thrain II. She is the only dwarf-woman named in these histories. It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart. This has given rise to the foolish opinion among Men thaat there are no dwarf-women, and that the Dwarves ‘grow out of stone’.


From The Hobbit
His only comfort was that he couldn't be mistaken for a dwarf, as he had no beard.


Neither of these quotes say explicitly that the female dwarves had beards, it seems to be implied that they did. "Voice and appearance" and "cannot tell them apart" would indicate that they had beards if all male dwarves had beards. And the above quote from The Hobbit would indicate that all male (since all in Bilbo's party were maie) dwarves had beards.

If anyone has "Peoples of Middle Earth" it may be more clearly stated in that volume. :read:

loni
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Post#10 » Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:33 pm

THat's in the Central Library in COre Stock! (Core stock is the really old section of the library where some of the pages are uneven and some are written in Middle English and the only people who go there want to play cards without getting in trouble with the librarians because none of them ever go down there frequently. (Except me, of course)

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