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Post#1 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:21 pm

So... was Fingolfin valiant or foolish in his final attack on Morgoth? :?:

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Tinuviel
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Post#2 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:50 pm

I'd say valiant, and desperate. But the formal outshown the latter.

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Post#3 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:35 am

I don't think he was either brave nor foolish. He was misinformed.
You could say right from the start he was misinformed. He choose the wrong reason to take his people to ME- the belief that he should not split the people, and in so doing he ended up taking part in the slaying at the harbours, again through being misinformed, or more accurately not informed at all, being unaware it was Feanor who had started it.
His decision to assualt Angband and challenge Morgoth was again misinformation- he believed all his allies had being defeated in Dagor Bragollach. Anger overcame him and he rode to challenge Morgoth, presumably believeing he was the only left who could do so.

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Odo Banks
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Post#4 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:27 pm

Tinuviel wrote:I'd say valiant, and desperate. But the formal outshown the latter.


Frankly, I believe that the "formal" should always outshine everything. Your view is clearly a respectable one, Tin, and I can but agree with you. :D

And Mr Tyrant, Fingolfin did what he saw as his duty. "Stiff upper lip" or "bravery" - call it what you will. :ugeek:

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Post#5 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:26 pm

Well I think Fingolfin was clearly courageous and so I would say that he was valiant, but trying to take on a physical god (essentially...) in one-on-one combat is a bit foolish, or at least foolhardy. I'd say he was both. ;)

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Post#6 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:34 am

Putting aside all the misinformation he was going on, I'd come down on the foolhardy side. There is nothing brave in throwing your life away in what you know will be a useless attempt. It was only ever going to end one way, so foolish.

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Post#7 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:52 am


He saw the utter ruin of the Noldor, and as one of the above posts states, he was misinformed.  It was a rash act and he could not hope to triumph over Morgoth, but I think his actions were done in the heat of the moment.



Rash and Utterly Heroic !!



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Oerath Windsoul
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Post#8 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:19 am


Fingolfin is one of my favorite characters. He was a very good king in my opinion, and died like every hero should. Morgoth was greatly wounded during that battle, and I think it helped a lot in the following events.


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Post#9 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:09 am


I agree with you he was misinformed and felt desperate. But, well, he wasn't the wisest elf (it was Finarfin, according to Tolkien), but he was wise enough (maybe the wisest in Beleriand), and when he came to the door of Angband after Feanor's death, he thought it was not the moment to attack, so he rejoined the army and wait patiently for the best moment. Why did he not do the same after the war of the flame and waited to search and rejoin the army? Because, ok, he thought everything was lost, his troops were destroyed, but he knew his son's Gondolin was hidden and safe, as Nargothrond, as Doriath... His troops were destroyed, but his sons, Maedhros, were still around... If he only had a mobile at that moment...



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Post#10 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:37 pm


A seeing stone might have done better than a cell phone...



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