what happened at the end?

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uruk_slayer
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what happened at the end?

Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I think that the big distinction is that Tuor, in essence, transcended his mortal form and became one of the Eldar. Thus, he is TRULY numbered among the first-born.

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Aulë
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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Nononono I get it why I was confused....I always used to mix Turgon and Thingol with each other....always got confused....But I am much wiser now!
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valedhelgwath
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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

As you pointed out, Valar, the Gondolin tale is incomplete in Unfinished Tales. To get the full tale you would be advised to read the Silmarillion, in which the full history og Gondolin is written.

To briefly answer a few of your questions though.
said no queen ever in gondolin.
This is because Turgon's wife, Elenwe, died while returning to Middle Earth from Valinor while crossing the Helcaraxe.
but did he said lay his eyes upon his daughter
Idril was the daughter of King Turgon. Tuor married her and their son was Earendil, father of Elrond and Elros.
saw a few woman in his life
Tuor's people were held in thralldom by the Easterlings. While he was kept as a slave, the women of his people had been moved to the South so Tuor had seen few women in his life.
he stayed there or he became the king? or what had happened?
He remained in Gondolin and married Idril. Gondolin eventually fell to Morgoth's armies however, and Tuor, Idril and Earendil were forced to flee. Making their way to the Havens of Sirion, Tuor and Idril eventually crossed the sea into the west, and it is said Tuor was the only Man to be admitted into Valinor.

valar_deimosa
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

thanx a lot for the answer valedhelgwath! :smoke:

MadWannabe
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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Is it true that Tuor was the only man admitted into Valinor? I thought that was Earendil? Tuor and Idril went sailing and could not be found, right?

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valedhelgwath
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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Tuor had yearned for the sea ever since meeting Ulmo at Nevrast. In his old age he and Idril sailed into the West in his ship, the Earrame, and came no more into tale or song.

From the Silmarillion
But in after days it was sung that Tuor alone of mortal Man was numbered among the elder race, and was joined with the Noldor, whom he loved; and his fate was sundered from the fate of Men.

MadWannabe
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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Thanks for enriching my knowledge, I didn't realised that quote that you talked about, Valedhelgwath...I thought that Earendil was the first man to step into Valinor...well, I guess I am wrong...



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Aulë
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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Val help me here would you....
Idril was the daughter of King Turgon. Tuor married her and their son was Earendil, father of Elrond and Elros.

I thought that Lúthien was the daughter of Turgon and that it was Beren who married her after retrieving one the three silmarillions from Morgoths crown.... Or have I mistaken myself again? If then explain it to me again.
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Post#9 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I think you got a little confused here with the tale tof Beren and Luthien.

Luthien was the daughter of Thingol, King of Doriath, husband of Melian the Maiar.

Does that answer your query? Val would probably make it more comprehensive an answer though :)

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valedhelgwath
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I thought that Earendil was the first man to step into Valinor...well, I guess I am wrong...
The dates towards the end of the First Age are a little vague, but Tuor and Idril set sail into the west in about FA 543. This was about the same time that Earendil became lord of the people of the Havens and married Elwing. His journey to Valinor was just prior to the end of the First Age, about 58 years later.
I thought that Lúthien was the daughter of Turgon and that it was Beren who married her after retrieving one the three silmarillions from Morgoths crown.... Or have I mistaken myself again? If then explain it to me again.
As Erkenbrand has already pointed out, Luthien was the daughter of Thingol of Doriath. I think where your possible confusion is coming from, is that Luthien and Beren's grandaughter, Elwing, married Earendil. She was, therefore, the mother of Elrond and Elros, and these two families are linked.

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