Frodo the Nine-Fingered

brandelion
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Frodo the Nine-Fingered

Post#1 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:50 pm

My daughter was upset when I read The Lord of the Rings to her, and at the end when Frodo and Sam hear their 'heroic tale,' it isn't relayed in song or poem form in the book. Understandably, we had already experienced that adventure in long form, and from an author's standpoint it makes sense not to include it, but I wonder if Tolkien wrote a poem or lay about Frodo and Sam for his own pleasure? If so, where would we find it?

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brego
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Post#2 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:31 am

Great query Brandelion! I too would love to hear a song of Frodo and Sam. Funny I'm now re reading TLOTR and have just read Sam pondering songs regarding themselves while in ithilian just before they meet Faramir. In the film it happens a little later. It's a great chapter and I'm sure that the elves or at least Aragorn would have come up with something in future days. Perhaps Bilbo may have come up with something in the furthest west, which may have been sung for centuries after.

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Post#3 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:14 pm


Nothing that heroic and middle-earth saving could ever go without songs and such by those who actually knew what the two had accomplished. Such as the folk in the Shire seemed unaware and were rather dismissive; but all the Rohirrim and all Elven folk would have known plus the Dwarves that had contact with Elves and other dwarves and of course all from the Golden City. If as the movie depicts they all bowed or at least honored the hobbits that alone, being such an extraordinary thing to do by a king and not just any king- The High King of both Elves and Men to say the least.



If that does not comfort your daughter, you might remind her that today, this very hour there is someone, somewhere most likely inspired to write a song, an epic poem to honor Master Frodo of the Shire, and the other Hobbits, particularly the hero of the story,Mister Samwise Ghamgee.



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leelee
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Post#4 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:07 pm


Sam stood up and cried oh great glory and splender, and all my wishes have come true; This is in response to King Ellesar putting Frodo and Sam on thrones and then they were about to listen to a lay from a minstrel of Gondor who was going to tell the magnificent story of how these hobbits in effect saved middle earth by their courage. You will find this in chapter 4  of The Return of the King. So the greatest personage in the land gave Sam his heart's desire as well as all of us who have humbly followed.



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brego
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Post#5 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:59 pm


Well found Lee Lee, isn't it wonderful that Aragorn took his great knowledge of life and love into the Kingship with him.  So many other Kings mentioned in the LOTR and the Sil have major attitude and eventually bring them selves and their Kingdoms undone, whether Numenorean, Elf or Eastern Man.



"My friends, You bow to no one!"



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virumor
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Post#6 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:37 pm

The Professor himself was of the opinion that in the end, Frodo "failed", yet cannot be blamed for it.

Also interestingly, there's the matter of the "finger of God" when destroying the Ring.
Give up the Halfring, she-elf...

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leelee
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Post#7 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:46 pm


My very heart rejoices when Vir is here. What is this about the 'finger of God' Vir, is that a biblical allusion or something very unrelated. I don't think I know about this or have forgot or overlooked it. Could you please share?



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virumor
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Post#8 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:59 pm

JRRT mentions it in letter 181, which deals with Frodo's failure.

They refer to 'intrusions' of the One in the Music of the Ainur, Elves and Men are the first of these intrusions.
Give up the Halfring, she-elf...

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leelee
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Post#9 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:37 am


Thankyou very much. I shall read it straightaway. I cannot remember this , so I must have read quickly and without much understanding.



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leelee
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:21 pm


Oh dear Brego, now more things to look up. . As for the appendages, that is horrifying to me. Just like Dick Francis and his one jockey, losing a hand and then forever after in any story he was in , the enemy always hurt his other hand. I could not bear to read anything about that jockey after a bit. Perhaps he saw so many with mangled or missing hands or fingers during his stint in the military, Other than that I cannot think why he would have a fascination with it.



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