I feel sorry for them already

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grondmaster
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I feel sorry for them already

Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Do I feel sorry for either of them. Hell no! Tolkien put them in their predicament for my enjoyment, for which I am very thankful, but not sorry, not in the least. Well, it is only a story!

I do think Sam will continue being his harda*sed self as pertains to Gollum while maintaining a soft motherly regard towards Mr. Frodo. The contrast between Sam and Frodo's interaction with Gollum is there to show that while Gollum is bad and would slit your throat if not watched like a hawk, he does have some redeeming qualities if you could just dig deep enough. :cool:
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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I don't feel sorry for them at all. They had a pretty easy time prancing around moors and marshes, bullying Gollum along the way. Frodo eventually completed his quest, with the help of Gollum. And as someone said earlier, Sam went home, married Rosie, had million of kids, became mayor & eventually got 'knighted' by Aragorn. Whereas poor old Gollum -who's been suffering for 500 years - fell into a volcano.

The only time I started to feel sorry for Frodo was when he realised he couldn't stay in the Shire. But that's in RotK.

As to whether Sam'll be nicer to Gollum - I doubt it. I hope so, but that would eventually mean changing the reasons why Gollum succumbed to the pull of the ring at the end. Rosie pointed out that Gollum almost relented at the last minute, but Sam's harsh attitude towards him changed his mind. If Sam was nicer to Gollum, then it would mean that Gollum betrayed them because he was inherently evil, not due to any extenuating circumstances. PJ would probably go down that route too, to absolve Sam from any guilt.

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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

**** 'em. They deserve everything they get if you ask me. :D
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Jehanne
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Mini-Gollums in a mini-Gollum gun? Oh man, I want one! That would come in so handy!

I actually kinda see what you mean, Swampfaye. I never felt sorry for Frodo (or Sam) in the book, except for the fact that that Frodo couldn't stay home in the Shire (I hated that). All things considered, the quest turned out pretty well for them (especially for Sam, unless you like slash fan fic...). But in the movie, yeah, I do kinda dread what they have coming. And it's totally because Elijah Wood looks so young and breakable, and Sean Astin is so plump and sturdy-looking. Poor little guys. Good casting, if they can make /me/ feel maternal (because I'm really not). So yeah, for me anyway, I do feel sorry for movie-Frodo and Sam, but only movie-Frodo and Sam (not the book ones). These darn films are going to give me multiple personalities.

Rosie
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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

yeah poor Frodo, he gets his middle finger bitten of by the dreadful Gollum ( :D ) so he can't even flip the bird anymore from his right hand!

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grondmaster
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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

That just proves what we knew all along, Frodo is a nice guy, 'cause nice guys don't flip the bird, or birds even, for that matter. :D
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TomBombadillo
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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Faye: point taken. I do feel sorry for them. Just as much as I did in the book, but I think in the movie you get the impression it all went so fast. I mean, at one time, Frodo is peacefully at Bag End, trotting along the Shire and having fun with his friends, and all of a sudden he's cast into an adventure he never planned, he goes on a trip to a place where nobody goes if he's free. I mean, he's thrown into an adventure and develops from a cheerful, cheeky and naughty little hobbit into the head of the story. In what? Two minutes ? (in the movie)
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gnampie
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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I feel sorry for Frodo because he has to carry the heavy burden, especially in RotK. But most of all because he can't just return to the Shire and live on in peace. The wounds of the Mordor knife and Shelob still remain, making him sick and eventually make him leave the Shire and his best friend. In the movie, before Frodo enherites the Ring, he is a young man, full of joy and happiness. I regret he never feels that happiness again after his quest.

The only time I felt sorry for Sam is when he thinks Frodo is dead (even though I know he isn't) and when Frodo and Sam have to part at the Grey Havens.

I was relieved when I read Sam also travels to the West after Rosie died. I hope Sam and Frodo eventually meet again.

I just want to add a small comment on Gollum. I don't think Sam is to blame for the betrail of Gollum. Gollum and Smeagol were always competing. The closer they get to Mordor and Mount Doom, the more Gollum dominates. He already made his mind up leading them to Shelob. He would have done it anyhow. I think the Ring plays a role here. Remember Gandalf always said: it wants to be found. I think the Ring 'knows' Frodo wants to detroy it. It tries to escape Mount Doom. His only change is Gollum (and not Smeagol). So I believe it manipulates Gollums mind. If Gollum would clame the Ring his own, the Eye would know and Gollum would be to weak to resist. So, I don't think we have to blame Sam for Gollums behaviour.

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grondmaster
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Post#9 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Your bit about Gollum is well said, Gnampie. I think you have got it right. :)
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

*applauds*
Well done, gnampie, fair comment! :)

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