Posts: 1001


Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Well... You guys all know I've been in between. I haven't worshipped the movies but I haven't thought they were complete crap which I'm unable to watch either... So to my conviction of the third movie: LOVED IT, LOVED IT, LOVED IT, LOVED IT!!!!!
I just couldn't stop crying. I was still crying on the subway on the way home. Jeez... I never knew it could have such an effect on me. I was not really excited about it, since I was expecting to become disappointed, which I really wasn't! Ok, some parts are so-so, but it is a very good movie. I've gotta go see it again. tata!
"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much."
/Oscar Wilde

User avatar
Posts: 3567


Post#2 » Wed Dec 31, 2003 10:08 am

OK i am not gonna compare with the books. We know that PJ didn't follow the books but only made an adaptation, which means forget every book of JRRT you read before you watch it.rrROTK is in the same league as TTT for me. Good action, but the rest (story, characters) kinda sucked a lot. The books weren't followed : maybe that's the problem. (not that i care) rrBest moments : rr-the face of the Orc warchief. (is that Gothmog?? i think so)rr-the attack and fall of Osgiliath. (all the other action sucked)rr- the Orc warchief with the strangely manufactured face saying 'the time of the Orcs has come' while jamming a spear through Faramir's buddy. rr- the Orc warchief elegantly dodging a boulder, and the boulder landing on the toes of a troll.rr-the Orc warchief refuting an attempt to reconquer Osgiliath.rr-the Orc warchief trying to set up a defense against the army of Rohan. rr- Gorbag being a female Orc.rr- i could hear all the girls faint in the theatre when Legolamb appeared in the end in Minas Tirith at Frodo's bed.rr-Arwen not appearing at the Pelennor fields.rr-a swift, tricky Shelob.rr-the Eagles.rrWorst moments : rr-Saruman???rr-Pippin and the Palantir. Pippin singing. rr-was Shelob really that fast?? is she related to the Harry Potter spider??rr- the Orc warchief claiming that the time of Men is over while there are still Haradrim and Easterlings on Sauron's side and those are men too.rr-Minas Tirith : no high, undestructible walls. Made it easy to bomb it down like in the movie.rr- Elrond bringing Anduril to Aragorn.rr- No paths of the dead, no passing of the grey company. rr- Aragorn dumping Eowyn, and Eowyn doesn't care. And oh yeah, Eowyn doesn't marry Faramir. The Eowyn character in the movie is not developed at all.rr- Eowyn and Merry slaying the Witch-King without falling into a coma. So no houses of Healing.rr-Aragorn's meeting with the King of the Dead rr-army of the dead sweeping the Pelennor fields.rr-Eowyn giving a Mûmak a cut in the foot apparently is enough to take such a huge animal down. She is probably also able to kill a whale with a needle. rr-Legolamb being able to perfectly balance upon a raging and moving Mûmak.rr-Denethor is shown as a suicidal, idiotic, egoistic, stubborn and desperate fool - and the way he jumps off the cliff like a human torch wasn't very cool.rr-because of idiot Denethor, Gandalf has to make Pip light the bacons. (beacons ;) )rr-Gandalf beating up Denethor (twice) and showing his skills in combat until Pippin has to save his @ss.rr-Gollum tricking Frodo and Frodo dumping Samwise.rr-Samwise not using the Ring. (extended version perhaps?)rr-no Mouth of Sauron and Aragorn nearly crushed by an Olog-Hai.rr-Elrond claiming that 'Arwen is dying' and 'Arwen's faith is bound to the Ring'. Great : Ring destroyed, Arwen dies. Didn't happen though.rr-Aragorn throwing himself on Arwen even before they are married. Or were they married already?? rr-Celeborn at the grey havens. (details, my friends, details)rr-I have the impression that here and there a lot of stuff was taken out. For instance we see Eowyn kill the Witch-King of Angmar and afterwards we don't see her anymore until the end. Same with Faramir : after he's saved by Gandalf : byebye Faramir.rrI am guessing those scenes are only to be showed in the extended. (houses of healing, or whatever)rrI also have the impression that the ending of the movies was cut a lot. One scene we are in Minas Tirith, then the screen goes black and suddenly we're back in the Shire. rHeh, i think PJ cut a lot of in-between-scenes here and put them into an extended.rrWell, that's it. The movie is worth watching for the Orc warchief alone.rrGothmog for president.
Give up the Halfring, she-elf...

Posts: 65


Post#3 » Fri Jan 02, 2004 5:37 pm

I saw the movie the first day and i didn't like it. I thought they had to many changes. Examples- they left out the house of healing, the rangers. How Arwen would die if the ring was not destroyed, how Arwen was going to leave and saw here son. I thought that Eowyn killed the nazgul to easly, i mean it would not just of stood there. Also the orc or whatever he was who called himself Saron was not there and how that troll had but hs foot on arargorn. And how sam did not use the gift from Galadriel to get past those watcher things guarding the place frodo was takin to. Now i could do a list of the differances but no one will want to read it, i guess. So i shall end here of the things left out or other things.

User avatar
Posts: 25451


Post#4 » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:04 pm

This afternoon I watched the movie for the second time and agree with Irima-arwen that had those differences been rectified, the movie would have been even better, hopefully they and others will be added to the Extended Edition of the DVD.

About Eowyn dispatching the Nazgul Lord too easily: She should have made her "No man am I" speech just before Merry got his attention with the Blade of Westernesse, at which time, while he was distracted, she should have make her deadly cut., removing his iron crown. However, thrusting her sword through his helmet opening was a satisfactory finish to me, and he died just the way I imagined.

The Nazgul Lord wearing the helmet was better cinematographically than an invisible head wearing and Iron Crown and looking out through two red eyes would have been. Had it taken place at night or indoors, the invisible head might have worked, but not out of doors where the background was too varied to easily see his eyes.
'Share and enjoy'

User avatar
Posts: 2784


Post#5 » Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:35 am

I have finally seen it myself now. Was pleasently surpriced, as I expected the worst after TTT.

Ok, I liked
1)More true to the book. Caracters were familiar at last.
2)Pippin and the palantir. It wasn't cut out!
3)Elrond finally becomes himself and likes Aragorn asd acts the way he is suppose too.
4)No Xenarwen, and she came with the banner. Eowyn got all the glory, as it should be!! :D
5)When everybody bows for the hobbits. Awww....
6)Sam scaring the orcs with his shadow.
7)The lighting of the Beacon Towers.
8)Battles were cool, but enough of the cavalry arriving with the sunrise on their backs. We know they are the good guys.
9)The Eagles
10)The dark haired smiths, easy to pretend they were Elladan and Elrohir. ;)

Not so pleased with
1) Shelob too small
2)Sam not wearing the Ring while saving Frodo.
3)Sam reluctant to give back Ring, he didn't want to keep it in the book, or have I just forgotten?
4)The oliphants and giant-rhinos (Where did they come from??). Just too big, looked like pre-pre-pre mammoths. Made ME seem too far away in time. I like to think it was not so long ago.
5)Denetor the human torch, he could at least smash an orc when he landed..
6)No Eowyn + Faramir = true. But they stood together and looked happy. Maybe in the extended.
7)No dealing with Saruman. "Nah, we'll just leave him there"
8)Sam not leaving to Valinor later on. Really breaks with what Sam said when Frodo "dies". "Don't go where I can't follow."
9)Shire-Hobbits seems unaware of what the four of them have done. The scourning should have been there.
10)No Arwen dying alone, even if we saw that in TTT.

Sauron the lighthouse!! Aaaaaargh!!! I'm insulted on his behalf!! :shocked: :boom:

Ok, that is what I remember right now. I didn't cry btw. I cried when I read the book though. ;)
"Don't complain under the stars
about the lack of bright spots in you life."
Henrik Wergeland, Norwegian writer

User avatar
Posts: 67


Post#6 » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:05 pm

3)Sam reluctant to give back Ring, he didn't want to keep it in the book, or have I just forgotten

Weeell. Sam DID have a little "thinking session" about being "Samvise the King of Hobbiton" (or something like that, can't remember the exact words), but that was before he saved Frodo from the tower (when he was all alone). But he changed his mind quite fast and said to himself to forget such thoughts and try to go save Frodo instead of standing there dreaming.

9)Shire-Hobbits seems unaware of what the four of them have done. The scourning should have been there

Agreed! I also thought they should have gotten the recognition they deserved when returning home, that was kinda one of the points in the book that they had really changed and became great leaders among the hobbits later in life. (Sam being mayor, Pippin the Took-leader etc) Sad they didn't put any of that in. (but then again lots of things were sad about that movie.... :mad2: )
I am Perwing - fear me!! ;-)
(just look at my pic, scary huh??)

User avatar
Posts: 2711


Post#7 » Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:30 am

Val said:

Aragorn throwing himself on Arwen even before they are married.

Oi! I thought discussion of sex was banned! But before it is....

One of the most noteable things about Tolkien's writing is the absence of sex of any kind. Even the nasty bits are skipped over. And ME seems to have an infertility problem.

As far as Aragorn is concerned - if he can go as long as that without jumping someone it's a first among men! Sorry guys - cheap laugh.

I personally think that Eowyn was, in the book, a far better character than Arwen but she deserves Faramir not Aragorn. She'll be happier with him. Awwwwwwwwww......

I was sad that there was nothing much about Faramir and Eowyn, HoH, walk in the garden etc but I was sad that Faramir's character wasn't quite as in the book. He was always one of my favourites in the book. But in the film it was good. Stuff had to go, stuff had to be changed and it worked fantastically as a film. I never cared too much for Boromir in the book and I am not a Sean Bean fan but Boromir in the film was magic and that death scene.....!!!!!! I forgave PJ there and then for any changes he made.

And yes, I cried all the way through. Mind you, I cry when I read any of Tolkien's books. And the music makes me cry.

User avatar
Posts: 2711


Post#8 » Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:35 am

Amarie said:

)Pippin and the palantir. It wasn't cut out!

I can't remember whether it was thrown out of the window in TTT by Grima. If it was then it is probably just the timing that was wrong - in the book Gandalf et al were there when it was thrown out, not just Pippin picking it up some time after it had been thrown.

I have found a certain blurring of incidents between book and film; sometimes I'm not sure if it really happened or not in the book.

Can't wait to be able to watch all 3 films back to back!

User avatar
Posts: 4233


Post#9 » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:53 pm


After seeing changes in the first two movies, I was ready for any changes in this one, and to be honest not worried too much when they appeared. The changes were both less frequent and to a lesser degree than I had expected to see. What did surprise me was some of the scenes which had been included even though I was expecting them to be cut.

After seeing Frodo stood before the Nazgul on the walls of Osgiliath in TTT, I was not expecting to see the scene with the witchking at Minas Morgal. When it did occur it was superb.

For some reason I thought the scene in the tower after Frodo had been captured would be cut too, so I was pleased to see it was still there.

[u] Favourite bits[/u]
1) Seeing the knights of Gondor ride out to their deaths
2) The Riders of Rohan turning up at Pelenor.
3) Sauron's army turning up at Minas Tirith
4) The artillary duel at the start of the battle
5) Eowyn lobbing the head off the fell beast
6) Shelob stalking Frodo
7) The Fell Beasts picking soldiers off the walls
8) The lighting of the Beacon Towers (I'd never really appreciated before the remoteness of them)

Well, it was just all good.

Disappointments, hopefully to be rectified in the extended DVD....

1) No Mouth of Sauron
2) No stand off between Gandalf and the Witchking
3) Some sort of conclusion to Saruman and Grima
4) The meeting of Faramir and Eowyn in the Houses of Healing

It's a shame not everyone will get the same enjoyment out of this film that I have done. Personally I think it was wonderful.

User avatar
Posts: 4233


Post#10 » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:58 pm

Val said:

Aragorn throwing himself on Arwen even before they are married.

I don't recall saying that, Vee. More like something Vir would have said. D@mn, we're just getting too many V's around here. ;)

Return to “The Return of the King”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest