Remembering The Lizard King

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PlasticSquirrel
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Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Jim Morrison was highly overrated, the Doors were great for one reason alone, Ray Manzarek, truly second only to Gary Brooker of Procol Harum. Morrison was an egotistical, pretentious moron with no idea of what he was doing. Even without the drugs and the drink he was pretty dumb, and with them he became incoherent as well. I always wish Ray had met up with James Osterberg (guess who) who was also singing round the same time in the same area, I reckon the Doors would have then been TRULY great.
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Darous
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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I have met your type before and quiet frankly I am not impressed Plastic as his my bro who I just called over to the computer to read your post..I won't repeat what he said cause then I'd get started and then some..but please go back to your tree and pick some more nuts. Your view is not wanted here quite frankly.
This was a post to remember someone great but you come along and open yer mouth and sh*t spews out which does not surprise me at all. Small minded people and so on. So crawl back to wherever you came before I have to kick yer a*s.
When history looks down its weird vestigial stump of a nose at us, it'll have a lot of very shitty things to say.

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Elfstone
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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Whoa, this thread is already starting to get out of hand! Believe me, when it comes to music, I can completely understand passionate viewpoints, because I’ll be the first one to admit that when it comes right down to it, I’m basically a stubborn musical snob, but seriously this ain’t worth it. One of the biggest reasons I generally don’t talk about music on this site is because music is my life; it’s like religion to me (and we all know what happens when people start talking about religion and politics around here).

Being a musician, and having played, studied, and majored in music for a very long time; I know that I have very different views than the majority out there, and it’s not worth my time and energy to get all worked up about things, bands, or styles of music that I personally think are c$@p. One of the greatest things about music is that there is something out there for everyone! Trust me, I’ve had people say the most idiotic things about people, or bands, or a style of music I listen to, and I’ve been so furious that I’ve just wanted to unload, but you know what, it ain’t worth it! No matter what style or styles of music you like, or who your favorite bands are; there’s always going to be people out there that don’t agree. Sometimes you just need to take a deep breath and chill out!

Your view is not wanted here quite frankly. This was a post to remember someone great


You do have a valid point here Darous, if Plastic had nothing nice to say, then he should have just stayed away from the thread, but he is entitled to his own opinion even if you don’t agree. However, getting this worked up, and threatening someone with physical violence over something this trivial is hardly the way to go.

Now that I’ve spoken my peace, I do need to pay my respects to Mr. Morrison, and The Doors. When I first started playing guitar, and writing songs a long time ago, originally The Doors were one of my biggest influences. I don’t listen to very many rock bands these days, but The Doors are one of the few rock bands that I still like, and can listen to and enjoy. Yes Ray and Robbie were the true brains behind the band (you can’t give all the credit to Ray, because Robbie wrote a ton of their songs, including some of their biggest hits), but without Jim, The Doors would have been nothing.

I’m not saying that I condone, or care for everything Jim did in his personal life, but I do think he was a talented visionary, and he was definitely one heck of a front man! I don’t think he was the greatest singer of all time or anything either, but I do think he had a unique, great voice. Again though, it was Jim’s passion, personality, looks, and charisma that made The Doors. He gave them their identity. He may have been over the top, but he put The Doors over the top!

Regardless of what anyone else says, The Doors are undeniably one of the greatest and influential rock bands of all time, and Jim had a big hand in that. So wherever you are Jim, break on through!
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Thanks Elfstone, now I don't need to add my two cents worth of moderating about a subject I know nothing about. :moderator:

Carry on with your celebration Darous, just try and be nicer, because you don't want to P-O the SKWRL who could edit your comments making you look ridiculous wearing a polka-dot dress and army boots, not that he would, but he also has that power.

Plastic Squirrel: You did bait him in his eulogizing thread. :elfroleeyes: So what did you expect him to do roll over and play dead? :elfbiggrin:

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Darous
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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Grondy I have already wore the ballet dress and army boots but it was my own doin'....and yes I see yer point but if someone disses Jim well there gonna get payback. As you said I don't play dead...but enough of this back to the subject in hand.
He was complex and yes you could say he had his faults...drinks and drugs and many many women. But thats what made him who he was....you could blame it on his childhood being a navy kid. Moving from town to town whenever his father got a new assignment.
Or it his complexiaty could come from that day when his parents were driving through the desert and they came upon a car crash and Indians were scattered on dawns highway bleeding 'ghosts crowd the young childs fragile egg-shelled mind" Jim in later interviews he said that he felt like an old indian possible a shamans soul leapt into his.
'now this will bring them out from there stones'
This could have happened or it might not who are we to decide. But maybe on that day on Venice beach Ray saw something in this film student sitting singing his songs.
And when John and Robby joined the fray then that was it. They were complete.
When history looks down its weird vestigial stump of a nose at us, it'll have a lot of very shitty things to say.

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Ross
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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

No Plastic does have a habit of doing this. We had a conversation the other week when he said that Pink Floyd were cack after/including the Delicate sound of Thunder. This argument of his is negated by the fact that the Delicate sound of thunder was a live album consisting of their hit's. Therefore he is contradicting himself because by that theory, he is also saying that the previous stuff was rubish. But at the end of the day it's his right to have an opinion.
I do agree that the Doors are overated due to the death of Jim Morrison. As has happened with many other artist's ie. Elvis, Bob Marley and Freddie Mercury!
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valedhelgwath
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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

The first night I heard American Prayer always sticks in my mind as one of those special magical nights. The whole night was memorable for other reasons than just hearing American Prayer for the first time, but the music did help by setting the scene for that evening's events. Every time I hear that album now, I can clearly visulize that night and relive it.

Thanks Jim. RIP.

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Elfstone
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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

The first night I heard American Prayer always sticks in my mind as one of those special magical nights.


Man, it’s been so long (15 years now) that I had almost forgotten about AP. I remember I got that when I was 17, and used to listen to that quite frequently back then. As I mentioned, The Doors were one of my biggest influences back then. I used to draw a lot when I was younger, and my junior year in high school I did a freehand sketch of that cover, and actually glued it to my backpack (lol). I think that was on my backpack for almost my entire junior year. I had just read a bunch of books on Jim and The Doors then also, and was probably at the ultimate peak of my Doors obsession then. I think Jim (brace yourselves Morrison bashers) was probably somewhat underrated as a poet.

Anyway, kind of a weird thing happened to me the other night on the night of the actual anniversary. I had already played guitar for like 3 hours that day, and for some reason later that night, I picked up my guitar again and started playing all of these Doors tunes I used to know (at least what I can remember now anyway). I hadn’t played any of that stuff in ages, and it was kind of weird that the impulse came over me. I had no idea at the time that it was even the anniversary night, because I’ve been removed from that for so long, but later that night I saw something about it on TV, and I thought how weird it was that on that night, without knowing I somehow got the impulse to play those songs out of the blue. Kind of freaky!
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"I would have the Ring-bearer bring the crown to me, and let Mithrandir set it upon my head, if he will; for he has been the mover of all that has been accomplished, and this is his victory." Elessar

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Ross
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Elfy is your Avatar from the origonal movie!
Sod off I'm busy!

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