going to regret posting this..
Elfstone: Is that an apology? Because to me it looks more like justification. "I'm sorry..... but someone else started it" is not an apology - that is finger pointing.
6-7 political posts.. I fail to see them. Perhaps we have differing views on what politics is.
1 the activities of the government, members of law-making organizations or people who try to influence the way a country is governed:
Joe is very active in left-wing politics.
2 the job of holding a position of power in the government:
The group is campaigning to get more women into politics.
He is planning to retire from politics next year.
3 the study of the ways in which a country is governed:
She read politics at Leicester University.
There are 4 senteces that can be (with a LOT of effort!!!!) taken political:
Ross': "Rebels, traitors" and my reply to it, both very tongue-in-cheek and both very obviosly so.
Stonehelm: "I must say, there is no other country that I would rather have as a friend than Great Britian." I didn't think it political, only a comment on the good relation there has been between US and UK pretty much ever since.
Virumor's reply: "Yup, i have been noticing that this year."
Come on! That was just begging to be said! :) He then moves swiftly on!!
, back to the theme being discussed. HISTORY!!
Not politics! 4th of July is a day celebrating an historic event - the birth of the US of A. An importan event, involving UK, US and France. How is that off topic? And it certainly "has something to do with the topic", if not, granted, being the intent of the thread. I don't think your reaction would have been different if the same posts had been posted in another thread, so by and large that is irrelevant in this.
some of which containing very questionable comments about my country
What? Where? :elfconfused: The only thing I can find that possibly does that is the description of Washington as "clumzy". I don't know enough about the guy to know if that is a fair assessment or not, or wether that is something being discussed by historians. Was that what made you blow up?
My comment on country music and soap operas: In Norway (and Sweden and Germany++) by far the bulk of all series and movies on TV are from America. Also, most of the music on radio also is American. In some inland areas of Norway American country culture is very strong. You'll find lots of people in boots and riding jeans driving around in picups.
Is that negative towards USA? No. It is negative towards Norway, for not being able to self create entertainment and music that people want, but instead mindlessly buy anything branded "Made in the USA"
The way I see it there was one and one person only that brought politics into that thread, and that was you Elfstone. You are entitled to do mistakes yes, but didn't they appear to you after Grondy's very quick and elegant intervention to smoothe things over? There is a 26 hour timegap before Vir posted. Time enough to cool down and rethink I would believe.
There is also a very bad attack on another country in that thread: "We liberated France in WW2, something all French people seem to conveniently forget."
You are here making very serious accusations, and also display very worrying prejudices. "All French people" You don't know that. Seriously! You don't! You are stereotyping!
Moving swiftly on..
So for the record, once and for all, officially, I had absolutely nothing to do with that thread being shut down!
You were not the person locking it, quite correctly. But: Do you think it would have been locked then had it not been for your post?
I case anyone is wondering: no, I've not sent any PM's to Elfstone.
All I did was merely voice my personal opinion on the subject of that thread. Apparently though, according to some other members here I shouldn’t be allowed to voice my opinion?
Wrong. You went a lot further than voicing your opinion. You personally attacked the participants in that thread!
I’m sorry, I’ve tried but I absolutely fail to see how this thread has any relevance, or socially redeeming value whatsoever!
No socially redeeming value.. Is that not a comment on what you think of the individuals posting there? It sure looks like it, and I have no trouble understanding that some of them take offence by that!
As a true Tolkien fan I find this thread to be completely and utterly embarrassing to Planet-Tolkien.com, and for it’s membership,
Again. Is this not a comment on those posting in this thread? You basically say that a "true Tolkien fan" would "find this thread to be completely and utterly embarrasing to PT and its membership". Ergo: those posting there can not be true Tolkien fans. Right? Do you expect to make such accusations and no one would react to it? You proven yourself able to take offence from the most innocent of comments in the 4th of July thread, and your views here are certainly NOT innocent!
I’m just glad that J.R.R. is no longer alive to see this ridiculous, embarrassing thread. If he could see this thread from the afterlife, he is probably rolling in his grave right now, shaking his head in disgust, and disbelief.
This thread is a crying shame! No offense, but whether you people realize it or not, you are doing a serious disservice to the memory of J.R.R. Tolkien!
Did you know Tolkien as a person? Why should you know so much better than anyone what Tolkien's reaction would be? I don't know him, but to me he seems like a person with humour and warmth. I do not think pride and joy would be his reaction to the thread, but I am not so sure he wouldn't smirk a bit at it either! :) You are using big, big words here Elfstone, and you have no right to.
What you are in fact doing is called projection. You project your personal views and cultural values onto Tolkien. Farthing is not that big a deal in many areas of the world. Here it is something one tries to avoid in public, but is not so much a social taboo as in, say, Southern USA. (I don't know where you live, but as I said, we have a LOT of TV from USA..)
Amen Val couldn’t agree with you more! Forgive them Eru, they know not what they do!
Well, neighter do you, mate.
I won't expect this post to last very long. But Elfstone: please read it through a couple of times, will you? Perhaps you won't see thing my way, but at least you will see what my view is. Then we could avoid this sort of things in the future.
What you have written is not an apology, it is a justification. You do apologize for any offence you caused anyone, and that is big of you and I commend you for it. But you do not apologize your posts, in fact you are defending them.
Wishing everyone peace and prosperity for the future.