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shaya puma
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Post#1 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:06 am

Sometimes there’s a synchronicity of information, where the books, television shows give me this coincidence of subject matter at a certain time and provide a focus that I didn’t plan. Some time ago there was a series on TV about Amundsen and Scott’s race for the south pole, “The Last Place on Earth.” It was very good and it led me to read the book from which it was derived. There is a lot about the nineteenth century culture of Norway wherein Amundsen was raised. About the same time I found myself reading Sigrid Undset (in translation), one of those names I had been going to read for some time and just gotten around to. “Kristen Lavrensdatter,” “The Master of Hestviken” and then what books of essays local libraries had in stock – surprisingly a few first English editions that have been on the shelves for 50-70 years. Also at the same time I read a collection of essays by William Mitchell who wrote long journalistic explorations of the life in and about New York City in the first half of the twentieth century. There’s a lot about shipping, fishing and sailors. More than once he touches upon the particular reputation of Norwegians: quiet, restrained and extremely competent. Amundsen and Undset are consistent with that. I get an image of a tough, scrupulously honest, aggressively realistic, somewhat dour people. (are you offended yet?) Not party animals.

I realize that I might be completely out of it. I am working with no actual primary information and no recent information. I can easily imagine a selection of American sources that could give a completely skewed view of my country. Possibly what I mean is a view that I would not like someone to acquire. (Some time ago, on a Tolkien site, I read an interview with Miranda Otto, Eowyn in the movie, wherein she comments that after visiting the US she had the impression that noone here has ever changed a tire. Clearly she wasn’t exposed to a very wide range of persons.) For that matter, I cannot grasp America as a home. It’s too big. In a sense that someone is English, Belgian or Norwegian, I feel like I am a Southern New Englander. It has a coherence that I can grasp as a home.

So, anyway, I find myself somewhat intrigued by Norway, though I don’t know anything really much about it. (Someone observed that Tolkien’s entry into his world was the invention of languages. So it would seem. I am not a writer, but if I had a parallel experience, I would enter my fantasy world by inventing lands and drawing maps. I like maps and Norway is possibly the most lovable such form on earth. That and the Aegean lands and sea.)

Anyway, without ever having actually met a Norwegian, I’ve acquired a respect for and a fascination with Norway. I know there are some Norwegians in PT (at PT? of PT? At least Amarie and GrevBukMcJern (Where did you get that handle?)) and without knowing just what I’m asking for, I’m inviting comment.

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Post#2 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:33 pm

I love the design of Norway, it has all those squiggly bits on its coastline, thanks to Slartybardfast. In 1949-50 we studied Norway, as well as Iceland and Switzerland, in our fourth grade geography/social studies class. Dem were the days.
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Rhodry*of*Aberwyn
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Post#3 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:27 pm

Funny you should mention Norway and your odd attraction to the place and people. I've kinda felt the same way for the last few months. Of course I know several peeps from there, Ama and Per being two of them. I first noticed my attraction a few months ago when I perchased the 13th warrior, the mist, the steep green bush choked mountains* which are very much like New Zealand I might add*. Near the beginning of the movie, the main charactor witnesses an ancient funeral rite, the burning of a king. A Norman recites a poem that is said during the rite, translating it to greek, and the main charactor's companian translates it to Arabic*which we of course hear as english*. I can't quite remember exactly how it goes but it's something like this. *Lo there do I see my Father, Lo there do I see my Mother, my Sisters and my Brothers. Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the begining. Lo they do call to me, they bid me take my place with them in the halls of Val Halla, where the brave may live forever* This poem really interested me, and as you said, the words hint at a people who are accepting, quiet, thoughtful, though purposeful and incredibly violent and revengeful when provoked. *and when not provoked, as we know, the Vikings were one of the most succesful conquorers of the world* I've noticed this same trait in Ama, she's polite, lovely and sweet natured, but when you p*ss her off she never hesitates in letting her displeasure show. I mentioned to her that Norway is right up near the top of my list for countries I'd like to visit.

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Amarië
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Post#4 » Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:04 am

The poem is real, I can't remember what nationality the man who witnessed it all was, but Arabic is a good guess. He wrote the whole thing down and it has survived till today. It is really spoken by the female slave chosen to travel with the dead king. The rest of the story is not all that family friendly, so I'll just stop there. ;)

I saw an episode of x-files that was suppose to take place in Lofoten in northern Norway. The fishermen had seen something mysterious out at see and were afraid to go out there. When Mulder and Scully came there, the fishermen were sitting in gloomy rooms, bent over the table and their cups, giving dark glares to the 'intruders' and no one said a word. Oh how I laughed. Imagine the complete oposite and you would be close to the truth. A wonderful type of people up there.

Squiggly coastline indeed! We have plenty of coastline, which is why the Germans was so interested in us during the war and part of why they are still so interested in us now, though this time the invation consists of tourists and they are most welcome.

the mist, the steep green bush choked mountains* which are very much like New Zealand I might add*.

It is really Canada, but I agree, the little I have seen of NZ reminds me of home, only greener. NZ and Iceland are the top of my list of places I want to go.

With the risk of sounding like a tourist agancy; It is so beautiful up here, and there is so much to see, so many different types of scenery, so many things that will blow you away, you have no idea. :)
"Don't complain under the stars
about the lack of bright spots in you life."
Henrik Wergeland, Norwegian writer

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eithin
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Post#5 » Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:24 am

With the risk of sounding like a tourist agancy; It is so beautiful up here, and there is so much to see, so many different types of scenery, so many things that will blow you away, you have no idea.

There is no risk that you sound like a tourist agancy... you are only telling the truth. Norway is a beautiful land with many different views. A little expensive maybe :) but totally worth it! Whole Scandinavia is worth to see by they way (if someone dont know where to go on the holiday)

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virumor
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Post#6 » Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:57 am

Actually Rho, the 13th warrior takes place in Sweden. Apparently only the Swedes traded with the Arabs.

I read today that Ford Motor Company in Norway has been renamed to Fjord Motor Company. Very appropriate, i guess.
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eithin
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Post#7 » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:12 am

The klan-chief (or whatever) was played by the swedish actor Max von Sydow (just some dull facts)

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valedhelgwath
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Post#8 » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:49 am

Did Amarie know?

The 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th and 10th tallest waterfalls in the World are all in Norway.

Norway has the 7th longest coastine in the world (13, 624 miles), which is longer than that of the USA (12,380 miles) and China (9,010 miles) and only slightly shorter than Australia (16, 007 miles).

The Gudvangen and Leirfjord tunnels are the 5th and 6th longest road tunnels in the world.

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Amarië
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Post#9 » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:54 am

Lots of good info there Val. :thumbup:

I just read that Arab guy meets up the vikings in Russia, so it makes good sense that they are Swedish. Haven't seen the movie in ages
"Don't complain under the stars

about the lack of bright spots in you life."

Henrik Wergeland, Norwegian writer

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eruwen
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Post#10 » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:25 pm

I've been to Sweden and Finland, but have yet to make it to Norway. Lovely people around those parts and yes, truly amazing countryside. Let me tell ya though...I have never been so cold in my life as when I was in Helsinki!!! BRRRRRR!!!! This Arizona/California girl literally could not breathe. My Finnish friends were pretty amused. It was great though -- spent lots of time in saunas and went ice skating on soccer (football) fields. I was there at New Year's and they had wonderful traditions, such as heating up some sort of metal and dropping it in a bucket of cold water, and whatever shape appeared in the metal would tell your future for that year, he he. They also like to shoot off fireworks on the streets -- a little dangerous, but fun. Oh, and it got dark at like 2 in the afternoon. CRAZY! :)

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