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chikakat
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Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Jordan was kind of good for a bit...haven't made it through the whole series yet, but I've tried...

Brooks is the Sword of Shannara one, right? I read that a while ago and liked it, then read it again and really didn't like it, so maybe I'll give it a 3rd try to be sure.

I read a while ago a book by, I think, um, Melanie Rawn? Or something to that affect? It had wizards and mages and things in it...kind of different, pretty ok.

sauron
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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

yeah actually so many fantasy "postAuthorIDs" copy Tolkien....im sure you would have read about the similarities between harry potter and LOTR.
in each one there are forgivable [eg: Dark One, Wizard, hero guy, etc] and unforgivable...[Midlands, Elves, etc]
in almost every fantasy book, if there's a dark lord guy, the hero guy will have something that the dark lord guy wants, and the entire story is spun around that one object
[Ring, Knife, sword,] etc.....
im gonna write a fantasy novel where the dark lord guy wins the dominion of Earth and the hero guy is killed


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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Sounds nice! I'm pretty sure someone's done one, but I can't think of it off the top of my head right now. And most spare fantasy is pretty rubbish. Ursula Le Guins's Earthsea series is pretty darn good though.
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Melanie Rawn is a great read - for women or girls. Not much appeal for the fellas I think. Anyone?

If you have checked my profile, you will know that I am a writer / student - that is I am studying Writing and Editing and working on a novel.

Popular Fiction has been a specialty so far, and one of the things we are taught to do if we want to get published is to follow THE RULES. These include:
- The hero/heroine should be attractive, have faults and weaknesses
-There needs to be a villain
- The villain is typically an evil sorcerer of some kind
- There is usually an object or talisman involved.
-Endings should be happy, good triumphs over evil and all that.
- Ending should involve some sort of restoration or redemption

Any of this familliar? I'm told its what publishers want because its what readers want. What do you guys think?


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chikakat
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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I guess if you stick to the formula, you're pretty much bound to find someone who likes any given book...I think it'd be kind of neat to read a book that didn't follow the preset standards...but then again, I've never read anything that totally went against everything, so maybe I wouldn't like it. Who knows. Allyssa, you write something that totally disregards the rules, and then we'll all read it for you...you've got a guaranteed audience (haha)...

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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Don't really read fantasy, but I have a gripe about most fantasy & sci-fi movies - why do the villains have to be so dumb? Even Star Wars isn't totally blameless - the stormtroopers can't shoot straight, and all it took to kill the Emperor was a piseed off parent!

I enjoyed Peter's etremely funny Evil Overlord List (Copyright 1996-1997 by Peter Anspach) though - it's his "The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord". It also may be quite helpful to fiction writers - it's got stuff like:

1.My Legions of Terror will have helmets with clear plexiglass visors, not face-concealing ones.

2.My ventilation ducts will be too small to crawl through.

3.My noble half-brother whose throne I usurped will be killed, not kept anonymously imprisoned in a forgotten cell of my dungeon.

4.Shooting is not too good for my enemies.

5.The artifact which is the source of my power will not be kept on the Mountain of Despair beyond the River of Fire guarded by the Dragons of Eternity. It will be in my safe-deposit box. The same applies to the object which is my one weakness.

, and etc. The link is http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

[Edited on 27/12/2001 by Ungoliant]

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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Nice. If you want something that goes against all the rules try some Kathy Acker (Post Punk fiction of the really ****ed up weird variety). I find that if you follow the rules, if not entirely but to enough of a degree, then the story is more satisfactory to all who read it, and more likely to be reread. Nice as it would be for us to all say "Yes I'd like to read something totally different and against all the rules" if we actually did, we'd be left with a sense of complete dissatisfaction at the end, like it or not it's true! (check Robert Rankin's Armaggeddon 2 They Came and Ate Us:The B-Movie if you don't believe me.)
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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am




Popular Fiction has been a specialty so far, and one of the things we are taught to do if we want to get published is to follow THE RULES. These include:
- The hero/heroine should be attractive, have faults and weaknesses
-There needs to be a villain
- The villain is typically an evil sorcerer of some kind
- There is usually an object or talisman involved.
-Endings should be happy, good triumphs over evil and all that.
- Ending should involve some sort of restoration or redemption

If everybody stuck to those rules then all storys would be the same, full of pretty, young brainless little heros, screeching damsels in destress and cackling, predictable baddies.

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Post#9 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

haha, Halo...mostly they are!

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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Follow those rules except bend some one of them in order to different from all the Kopykats. Give it just a little plot twist or give it a slightly different ending, like the hero joins the Foreign Legion/convent because the comical sidekick gets the girl/boy. Or else they give up buming around and become part of the mainstream establishment, like as a CPA. Of course, I suppose these have all been done before too. :D
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