The Matrix: Reloaded, WARNING.. SPOILERS

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Aulë
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The Matrix: Reloaded, WARNING.. SPOILERS

Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Well not-completely-of-elvish-origin, I haven´t seen it yet...:P: so I can´t really debate about the movie yet....But I will come back when I have....
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The Matrix: Reloaded, WARNING.. SPOILERS

Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

The twins were cool, , , but i basicly have only one thing to say...

Matrix Reloaded is the most action packed movie i've ever seen!
(it's almost constant fighting, which has cool efects :cool: ;) :D :P: )
and i love Neo's outfit. he he

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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I thought it was great but I agree that it didn't have quite the same awe factor of the first one. But that's because the first time is always the best, isn't it? Like the first time you read LotR or The Hobbit. Nothing can ever quite compare...

I'm reserving judgment on the plot until November since basically all we've seen thus far is half a movie. I'm betting a lot of the mystical ruminations will make more sense and seem more appropriate after the next one. Perhaps a scene of sudden revalation where we go "Aha! So that's what all that stuff about the orgasmic chocolate cake was about!" At least, I hope so.

The fight scenes were genius. The whole cast has improved their martial arts skills 10 fold. The scene where Neo fights the 100 or so Elronds, er... Agent Smiths, was a showstopper. And the freeway chase was pure, unadulterated adrenaline. Rock 'n' Roll baby...
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The Matrix: Reloaded, WARNING.. SPOILERS

Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

This is more a question based post, but it does contain spoilers,so...

1. When the Matrix was first built, a man was born inside who had the ability to change things as he saw fit..but how did he know he was in a computer program? How did he free himself? Did he build Zion? Who made all the hoovercrafts? HOW? Doesn't this bother you? Did Zion already exist? This keeps me up at night, that's for sure.

2. What is Neo? Half human half machine? He's got a lot of plugs in his body and he can connect to another software, but still, he bleeds, he feel, he can cry for all I know...wouldn't that lead to some sort of short circuit? (don't take this too seriously).

3. I would like to know your thoughts on Matrix Reloaded...I have a theory..they are still connected to the Matrix, they just don't think they are. I believe that they are in a program made for them to believe they have disconnected from the Matrix and that they are free...a program based on another program. Why do I believe this? Because at the end of the movie, Neo says he can feel the machines, and stops the sentinels the same way he stops bullets..he can't stop bullets outside the Matrix...just a theory, let me know other points of view!

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The Matrix: Reloaded, WARNING.. SPOILERS

Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Celeb:

1. Zion existed before the Matrix and is not part of it. The city and the hovercraft are all real, the Matrix isn't.

2. Neo is a human in the real world (Zion etc.), but his existence in the matrix is defined solely by computer programs. The plugs allow him to be connected to the matrix, as all humans are before they are freed.

3. Your idea messes up my head, because it could go on forever. I think there is only one Matrix; Neo can only dodge bullets inside the Matrix because the bullets sren't really there. If one has belief, one can do anything within the Matrix.

Definition/history of the Matrix:

Once upon a time, man gave birth to artificial intelligence. The robots they created evolved beyond their control, and sought to wrest the world from the humans by killing everyone. Zion was built by humans as a fortress to withstand attack from the robots (sentinels). To stop a worldwide human uprising, the robots captured and 'farmed' humans, in the hope of utilising them later in the war. The robots created the Matrix so these people wouldn't know what was going on. Neo is on of many humans freed from the Matrix. His super powers exist only within the Matrix, because the program controlling his life is somehow different, an imperfection ion the Matrix.

This theory holds true until the end of Reloaded, when Neo meets the Architect. I then lose the will to live.
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Aulë
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The Matrix: Reloaded, WARNING.. SPOILERS

Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Haven´t seen it yet Celebrían so I can´t comment it yet!:P:
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Celebrian
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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Yes Peredhil, I am aware of that the Matrix isn't real and that Neo is human in Zion and so on, but still it rises some questions I can't seem to figure out...I think I have explained badly what I meant in the first place...but I still don't understand how he could stop the sentinels in the real world like he stops bullets in the Matrix :elfconfused: They short circuited...I watched the first film three times before I got it all figured out and my questions were answered, so I guess I have to go see Reloaded again :happyelf:

But thanks for trying though!

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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Saw it on Sunday.. Not my type of movie, I might say...

I know many of you like the fighting scenes and the explotions and such, but I was getting more and more annoyed: Why is he fighting the Smiths? They dont die. They are computer programs, obviously with some type of regenerating backup-routine, as they all get up and continue fighting all the time. So why is he fighting them? All the fights end up with him running.. sorry, flying, away. He could have done that when they first came, but no, he starts fighting them until there are an army of them. Then he flies away... Why? Whats the point??

Me agrees somewhat with Celebrians point 3. The architect seemed to suggest something like that in the end.. Basically: Lets say the program containing the matrix is running on Windows. As everybody has found out the hard way, windows while running keeps on collecting clutter in its internal memory. (only 28(?)for all windowses up to NT/Xp/2000) When this memory is full, the computer crashes, and one must use the magic button, "reset", to get it to work again.. I think what the architect said can be interpreted to mean that when Neo returns to the source (CPU? Memory handling thingy?), it's like pressing reset. Thus the architects comment of the sixth(?) version/cycle-thingy...

Only my thoughts on the subject. But then again, I'm not a big fan of that kind of movies..

NB! I'm not even close to be a computer expert. So if my explanation makes more knowleged people to want to cry: My deepest apologies! ;D
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Peredhil
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Post#9 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I see what you meant with your questions now Celeb, and I can't explain any of it either. :elfconfused:
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Aulë
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Well what if there is a backup Matrix?? I mean that nobody knows about it....but only the Chosen(who can sense certain things in the matrix) can do what he did with the sentinels.....I mean that would explain why he could feel them.....but that remains to be seen in The Matrix 3 - Revolution that comes know in the fall:D
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