Odo Banks wrote:Aha! Hidden beneath the Politically Correct Modern Feminist Man lies that Real Man that a Real Woman adores. Now where's that soapbox. Oh here it is. Hang on while...I...get...up...on...it. Ah! That's about right. Now....
GB, most women want their men to be men. It's a simple fact of life for most women. The women who don't want their men to be men want to be men themselves (or just don't like them, full stop). That's my experience.
If you narrow Feminism down to a fair go for all, and accept that promotion on merit is the best arrangement in business and life, then I myself am a Feminist.
Oh yes... and women who tell other women how they should behave in regard to men are usually bitter and twisted and unattractive (inside I mean - one must not judge the looks of others, because that would be wrong).
NB My wife is a professional woman who wears a dress, has doors held open for her, expects me to pull my weight with the kids and around the house, and takes no crap from anyone - but she remains a Lady through and through (except, of course, when the lights go out! ) Traditional male to female courtesies are just another form of intimacy at my house. (See John-Beren and Edith-Luthien for comparisons on this).
Durin may not be around this thread anymore, but I sure want to comment o his interesting statement about Good = Galadriel/Women and Evil = Sauron/Men. And that women are more favored than men are.
Okay, so this is an interesting thought. But I have to disagreements. Durin went all the way to The Big Boss Sauron on the evil side, but on the good side he stopped at Galadriel. He did not touch on the Valar. Sauron is more on a level with the Valar, than he is with the elves. I say that on the good side we have the Valar who are a mix of both genders: male and female. In that case Durin's idea does not work.
Now, the other problem I have with Durin's statement is that he says that, though he has little proof of it, he says Tolkien is in favor of women over men. First, how is that if most of his heroes are men? Second, yes, he does view women very highly and respects them very much, but WHERE does he hint that he favors them over men?
Just my views :) Looking forward to reviving this good debating thread....all friendly arguing!
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