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Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I don't remember the quote, but there was something like: "Of those wizards that came to the North of Middle-Earth in the Third Age, the chiefs were five." I can't find the exact quote; but I think this means that there were more wizards in ME. Unfinished Tales shows that there were 5 wizards (those 5) who got off the ship from Valinor; so any wizards that they were 'chiefs of' would have to have came earlier. Or later. But anyway, they were the wizards who came to the North. Maybe others went to the other regions of Arda; and maybe even b4 the breaking of ME. But I don't know about Tû. I have the BoLT, but I am unable to find this tale. Hmmm...

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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

It is the last tale in part one.

The quote you cited suggests that there were more than five who came in the Third Age, so we are still unsure about the time before then.
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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Woaw, this is really interesting Pere and Arco!
I shall have to look further into this, but since I have got the swedish version, and it is not always correctly translater (Grrr :mad: ) I suggest that someone with an english version look up the exact quote and post it here, so that we can have a discussion based on quotes, which would probably be much easier. Just a suggestion! :)
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Of this Order the number is unknown; but of those that came to the North of Middle-earth, where there was the most hope (because of the remnant of the Dúnedan and of the Eldar that abode there), the chiefs were five. - from 'the esay on the Istari' presented at the beginning of 'The Istari' Section II to Part Four to the Unfinished Tales

And if I remember from non-Tolkien reading, "tû" is French for the insignificent "you", and is usually used by the airistocracy when speaking to servants, serfs, and slaves. So that Tû can be one of the lesser Istari and Old JRRT was pulling our leg with the name of this non-chief Istari. :elfcool: nn[Edited on 2/9/2003 by Grondmaster]
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