Merrys Hobbit name???!!!!!Chilic or Kali...

Nessa
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Merrys Hobbit name???!!!!!Chilic or Kali...

Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

please please tell me please please :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

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Merrys Hobbit name???!!!!!Chilic or Kali...

Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I would have to assume that it depends upon when the two paragraphs were written. Not having access to HOME Vol. 12, I can't speak to this topic, but will lean towards that given in LotR until someone proves that J.R.R.Tolkien changed his mind. Are those 'Chilimanzar' and 'Chilic' hobbitish and did they specifically apply to Merry Brandybuck's first name?
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Nessa
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Merrys Hobbit name???!!!!!Chilic or Kali...

Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Are those 'Chilimanzar' and 'Chilic' hobbitish and did they specifically apply to Merry Brandybuck's first name?


Yeah I think so! Oh and there was a little mistake in my first post:

Merry is called, after the essay ' ON LANGUAGES ' in the HoMEXII, Chilimanzar. But of friends it was called Chilic. That means as much as ' merrily ' and the translation as ' Merry ' was obvious therefore.


Okay so it woud be that Chikic was the first name what Tolkien gave to Merry in genuine Hobbitish and afterwards he change to Kalimac???

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Merrys Hobbit name???!!!!!Chilic or Kali...

Post#4 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:12 am

Oldish thread, but...

Yes the names Chilimanzar, Chilic represent rejected draft ideas, superseded by the final published version Kalimac, short name Kali. Back in Frodo's day, nobody really called Merry 'Merry', but Kali rather.

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Post#5 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:01 pm

"Kalimac" was his name in hobbitish, which usually was shortened to "Kali" by those who knew him. "Kali" meant "joy" in Westron, so when Tolkien translated that to English, he came out with "Merry".
Anyway, this is my current understanding on the naming of Master Brandybuck; but I am certainly no expert on any language, especially not those from the Professor's imagination. I have enough trouble with my own Americaneese. :happyelf:
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Post#6 » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:22 am

Yes Kalimac Brandagamba (Kalimac 'Marchbuck') was rendered by Meriadoc Brandybuck

For the fuller form anyway :)

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