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Post#1 » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:40 pm

Whe I saw the weekly poll today, I thought it was the best one I've ever seen. But I was surprised with the results. The poll read:

Which is the most important/significant theme/element in TLOTR?

Hope and Endurance - 17%
Loyalty and Devotion - 5%
Mercy and Pity - 5%
Fate and the significance of choice - 17%
Friendship, compassion and love - 30%
Hospitality and Kindness - 0%
REsisting temptation - 2%
Redemption and Sacrifice - 17%
Bravery and heroic deeds - 2%

The results are probably different now, but I think they will be stay relatively the same, as the last poll did.

So I was wondering if any of you people who voted (There were 40 of you, I expect 40 posts) would like to share their views on WHY they actually voted the way they did. I'll start.

I voted 'Mercy and Pity.' I voted this because I thought that all these elements/themes were important in TLOTR, but unlike the others Mercy and Pity were actually talked about briefly and were shown to be important by Gandalf. (And Tolkien, for that matter, though I can't prove it)

Frodo and Gandalf had a conversation which to me indicated that Pity and Mercy were the most important theme/element in TLOTR.

What a pity Bilbo did not stab the vile creature, when he had a chance!
Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and MErcy: not to strike without need.
I do not feel any pity for Gollum. He deserves death.
Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many tha tlive deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.

i also remember reading somewhere that Tolkien said that Frodo failed in destroying the Ring, but succeeded because he showed Pity to Gollum, and without Gollum, the Ring would never have been destroyed. i don't know where I read it, but I am absolutely certain and positive that he said something like that, and I have read it somewhere.

Alright, now it's your turn!

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Post#2 » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:34 am

Although i think everything in that list is partly a LOTR theme, i chose 'fate and the significance of choice'.

Frodo chose to bring the Ring to Mordor (although he didn't know the way), chose not to kill Gollum and use him as a guide (which lead to the destruction of the Ring), Aragorn chose to go after Merry and Pippin which lead him to Gandalf etc.

Well, actually everything in the list is as good as a theme. Pity and mercy too. Indeed, Frodo showed pity for Gollum. But hadn't it been for Sam's loyalty and love for Frodo then the quest wouldn't have succeeded either ! Sam wouldn't have saved Frodo out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol for instance. And Sam wouldn't have fought Shelob. So friendship and love are as important as pity and mercy.

Actually i think the main theme is 'good vs evil' , entwined with everything in that poll-list. There are no wrong anwers at all.
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Post#3 » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:03 pm

Thanks to Grondy and Tarrant for putting the poll up!

Anyway, I (as the 48th vote) picked Friendship, compassion and love. While I felt that all of the themes were significant and played their own role, I felt that this theme was the one that kept things together, and helped to move the journey along. (Though the same could be said for others, say, hope and endurance, or fate and the significance of choice.) That said, I picked it because of the way the theme 'rubbed off' on me; in my reading and interpretation, it was probably one of the most important ones that had an impact on my understanding of the piece, though others did as well.
Well, I'm beginning to ramble, so I'll just look forward to seeing other opinions in this thread. Good idea for a topic, Loni! :)

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Post#4 » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:32 pm

Great poll suggestion Arco, glad it got used! :orcthumbs:

Personally, I wish I could’ve voted for them all because I feel like they’re all very important and vital to the overall message of LotR, but I voted for friendship, compassion, and love for pretty much the same reason Arco mentioned, it just seems to me that these were the most crucial elements in keeping everything together, and to insure the ultimate success of the destruction of the One-Ring.
"I would have the Ring-bearer bring the crown to me, and let Mithrandir set it upon my head, if he will; for he has been the mover of all that has been accomplished, and this is his victory." Elessar

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Post#5 » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:11 pm

This is a really great poll suggestion, Arco. I had a very tough time deciding as all these themes play a significant role in The Lord of the Rings and each theme tends to fit different characters. I ended up going with Redemption and Sacrifice because at the time I was thinking about Boromir and Theoden.
Boromir wanted the Ring because he believed they could defeat Sauron and return Gondor to its former glory. He was so determined that he tried to take the Ring from Frodo by force. Too late, he saw the error in his judgement. But Boromir was redeemed because he sacrificed his life in an effort to save the Hobbits from the Enemy.
Theoden let the people of Rohan down when he came under the spell of Wormtongue. He was redeemed when he came to the aid of Gondor and valiantly led his men into battle, also paying the utlimate sacrifice.
Bilbo had stolen the Ring and used it knowing that it had magic powers, albeit, he did not realize the true nature of the Ring. His redemption came through his nephew, Frodo who destroyed the Ring. Both Bilbo and Frodo were able to go to the Grey Havens for healing, however, they had to leave the Shire and sacrifice the normal peaceful life of a Hobbit.
There are times that I think even Smeagol was redeemed when he led Frodo and Sam to Mordor. Would the Ring have been destroyed were Gollum/Smeagol not sacrificed with it? Perhaps not the same heroic end of Boromir or Theoden, but leading Frodo and Sam to Mordor did cost him the ultimate price.

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Post#6 » Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:02 am

A really great poll, but a very very hard question to answer. In the end I chose Hope and endurance, but to explain why is really hard.

Frodo and Sam really needed all hope and endurance they could get to free the world of the danger of Sauron, and themselves of the burden of the Ring. Without Sam giving his master hope, I don't think Frodo could have made it to Mt Doom. Same goes for Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas: if they hadn't hoped for Pippin and Merry to be still alive, they would not have followed the band of Uruk-Hai that had captured them. When Frodo was captured by the Barrow-Wight, he wouldn't have started singing Tom's song, unless he hoped Tom would come to save him. Hope keeps coming back, when you start to think of it. If Gollum hadn't hoped to get his preciouss back, he would never have helped Frodo and Sam find the way into Mordor. It's true that his character changed later, but at the point where he met the two Hobbits, the only thing he thought of was getting his precious back. This shows endurance as well from Gollum's side. And when the Hobbits struggle their way up to Mt Doom, endurance is a pretty heavy factor as well. But so is friendship, and bravery, and so many other things. I found it really really really hard to choose.

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Post#7 » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:12 pm

I kept reading on Loni´s post that she had voted for "Merry and Pippin". I hadn´t read the poll until I saw the thread. Are we allowed to suggest another interesting poll? Like, what traits are not mentioned in the book. Hunger and Thirst. Sex and Desire. Political strugles. Family gatherings. Night life! I voted Kindness and compassion because I thought that needed support, but I really think the topic (of the ones listed) which I relate the most is Fate and the importance of choice. The importance of consecuences. To give you hope and remind you that, as long as you are devoted in loving, your brave sacrifice will be redempted. Every thing that you decide, will affect the rest of your life. Everything. Great Topic Loni. You see, Loni gets a Pseudo-Silmaril!
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Post#8 » Wed Apr 21, 2004 4:43 pm

Hope and endurance, though the choice is rather hard... Still, I think that hope kept them all going through those dark times, even in the moments when it seemed pointless to resist Evil. Or, as Gandalf would put it: "A fool's hope"
Evil may yet be good to have been ... and yet remain evil. (Silmarillion)

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Post#9 » Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:10 pm

I couldnt pick,i thought the main theme of the books was overall goodness and fighting futiley even though ur all but sure ull fail,LOTR maid me depressed fer a week especially after the Return of the King came to theatres and that signified nothing to look forwrd 2 in the future and i was also upset because EVERYTHING changed the Elves had to leave and............then i found this site and every bit of my depression was gone,this site is like a Tolkien book that doesnt end in some ways.sry,if im off topic

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Post#10 » Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:31 pm

Are we allowed to suggest another interesting poll?

Yes you are Az! Just look under the forum title Website Talk, then click on Website Suggestions, from there you will see the thread entitled Poll Suggestions where you can feel free to volunteer any ideas you might have for a Poll.
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