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tommypolley
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Post#1 » Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:10 pm

Is it worth reading these as they seem to be a rough draft of Silmarillion? If im not missing anything too important , i'd like to skip to 'Lays of the Belerriand'.

Any advice?

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valedhelgwath
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Post#2 » Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:48 am

Personally, I skipped all the way to Book 10, Morgoth's Ring and Book 11, The War of the Jewels.

The whole of the HOME series is a chronicle of Tolkien's evolution of the stories in the Silmarillion and Lord of the Rings. Lost Tales contains some of the earliest drafts of the Silmarillion, and as such some of the ideas and concepts are very different to the published stories in the book. As Morgoth's Ring and the later HOME books contain material written after he completed LotR, the material is fresher and less contradictory than the earlier HOME books such as LT.

I do feel as though you can jump about in HOME though, reading the bits of most interest first. In a way, I treat them as reference books rather than novels.

Hope that helps.

tommypolley
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Post#3 » Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:12 am

Thnaks, it does.

The titles in the HOME series pre 'Morgoths ring' also strike me as 'Silmarillionesque'.

When historically do books 10,11, and 12 take place ? post Frodo casting the ring into Mount Doom?


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rhapsody
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Post#4 » Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:34 am

I don't think you should read the books of HOME that way. I think, if you want to know what happened in the fourth age, reading a story in Unfinished tales or reading Sauron Defeated would quench your thirst for more on that. There might be more, this is all coming from my memory.

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Túrin Turambar
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Post#5 » Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:32 pm

i recommend reading LT1 and LT2 because i have them both and enjoyed them. Personally i think one of the best battles Tolkien ever rights, can only be found in LT. It's The Fall of Gondonlin, and it is very vague in every book, except for the LT. Although the facts might not be 100% correct because Tolkien's ideas have defently changed since he wrote it, but never the less, it's an amazing battle.


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valedhelgwath
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Post#6 » Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:03 pm

When historically do books 10,11, and 12 take place ? post Frodo casting the ring into Mount Doom?


No they are still the Silmarillion, but just later drafts of the stories.

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Post#7 » Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:34 pm

I think the best idea might be to read them myself, and find out what i am missing, or not as the case may be. Friends told me not to bother with Sil becuase it was dry, but i thought it was fantastic after i'd got my head around the 'creation' myth at the strat.

Any other comments or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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valedhelgwath
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Post#8 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:47 am

If you haven't already read it, I'd suggest giving Unfinished Tales a go before moving on to HOME. Style-wise, it's kind of like a bridge between HOME and the Silmarillion.

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Túrin Turambar
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Post#9 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:18 am

ya i gotta agree with Val on that. Unfinished Tales fits would be the next logical read after The Silmarillion. It's written with a similar narrative form as the Silmarillion, and it also goes into detail on a few chapters that Silmarillion breifly goes over.

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oloriniwasinmyyouth
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:50 pm

Am currently re-reading LT 1, and I have to say that it's more for the reader who is both well-versed already in Silmarillion (read it several times) and really wants to find other things to compare. Seeing the evolution from LT 1 and 2 to the stories in Silmarillion is fascinating for me, but I can definitely see where they would be hard to read without the desire being there. As for skipping to Lays, it (as well as all the other HOME books) is laid out and presented in the same way LT 1 and 2 are, so I guess read what you want to know about. Interesting though, to see things like what Meilan the Maia's original name was... (you'll have to read LT 1 to find out). ;-)

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