Thanks, Lord Aragorn for replying
You wrote that Saruman wielding the Ring is no match for Sauron. I cannot agree. Saruman was still very powerful during The War of the Ring. If he had obtained it during or before The War, he was wise and powerful enough to take the place of Sauron. He would have become another Dark Lord, once the Ring took hold of him. This is why I think, that Saruman with the aid of the Ring, would have overthrown Sauron. He probably would have robbed Sauron of his armies, with his will alone.
Good point, saying that Sauron with the Ring and Smaug (if alive) would probably ignore each other if their interests didn't clash.
I do not believe they were created as neutral in Tolkien's mythology. Anything "created" or malformed by Morgoth was for evil.
Neither do I. But I said they became neutral as time progressed after the destruction of Morgoth. There was noone to control them and therefore their evil faded (if I may be allowed to use that word). More than likely it was dormant or not exhibited in its full force.
As for overthrowing Sauron with the aid of the Ring. I believe it's possible. One of the Wise, if powerful enough could suceed and become another Dark Lord. It is clearly stated by Elrond duriong The Council of Elrond. It is impossible to say, however, what would become of the ring, if its new master took Barad Dur for his own and eliminated Sauron beyond all chance of return.
The Ring cannot be used against Sauron. It is His own weapon and only He can wield it. I agree that the Uruk Hai's are better than the Orcs of Mordor, but they are no match for the Ring wraiths. And the Nine Nazgul with Sauron can easily overpower Saruman. He's no match even with the Ring. He can't do anything to Sauron except maybe put a chink in his armour. Saruman would have lost all paws down!
It is undoubtedly Sauron who would have used Smaug, as Tolkien says this was the threat Gandalf was eliminating.
So if I am right Smaug would devour the North and come down on Rohan and Gondor. If I am wrong and my friend is right, then Saruman’s greatest mistake was not challenging Smaug to a word duel and thus obtaining a powerful slave. This could help him greatly in his search for The One Ring. After all, he had been searching for it for a long time, before The War of the Ring started.
If you would like to read more of Gandalf's reasoning and preparations toward getting rid of Smaug prior to and after his appearance on Bilbo's doorstep on that bright sunny morning in the Spring of 2941T.A. as told in The Hobbit, read 'The Quest for Erebor,' which is Section 3, Part III of Unfinished Tales - The Lost Lore of Middle Earth.Yes, in UT it's mentioned Gandalf wanted to get rid of Smaug because he found out Sauron's original plan was to throw everything he had against Rivendell (using Smaug) and Lothlorien, instead of Gondor.
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