Faramir?

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elrose
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Faramir?

Post#1 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:13 pm

i just read that if tolkien were to relate to anyone it would be in Faramir. i found this in Letters. does he relate more with another charachter, such as Beren more?

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cloveress
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Post#2 » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:06 pm

Faramir? That's interesting... but Faramir has always been a sort of quiet person who sees truth. He thinks so much more about the whole world and the future of all peoples rather than mere things about his own people and his own honor and stuff. He stands from a higher point and views so much more than others. Maybe Tolkien saw himself as that sort of figure, as he is the grand storyteller.

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Post#3 » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:53 am

Yeah, I can totally see that, but I see your point, too, Elrose (after all The Lay of Leithian was a deliberately stylized version of his own courtship of Edith.) I don't think Tolkien saw himself as storming the gates of hell to recover future stars though. Remember, the chief grudge Denethor (II) held against Faramir was that where his elder brother was a man of action after his fathers heart, Faramir (II) was in many ways "Gandalfs son," scholarly where Boromir (II, technically III) was martial, careful where Boromir was bold, sympathetic where Boromir was resolute, visionary where Boromir was immediate, and aware of risk and temptation where Boromir was aware of opportunity and triumph. Not that either was incapable of the attributes I ascribe to the other, but each brother displayed the primary traits of the other latently, subsequent and as a consequence of his own. Which of these traits reminds us of Tolkien?

We must also bear in mind that both the time of creation and level of development is vastly different in the two works. The Silmarillion is an unfinished epic opus, and one begun in Tolkiens college years, when it is natural to envision oneself as something of the conquering hero, victorious against all odds over all adversity. The Trilogy is something entirely different. If its scale is less than that of the Trilogy, it is far more detailed in its execution, and, most importantly to this discussion, complete. It is also the work of a mature author, begun as he approached his fiftieth year and published in his sixties. It's only natural then that the character with whom the "elder Tolkien" identified is more reflective, more contemplative, than his counterpart for the "younger Tolkien," more vital and adventurous, as youth itself.

So, ultimately, I answer the question "Is Tolkien like Faramir or like Boromir?" the way I like to answer all such: Yes.

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miruvor
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Post#4 » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:55 am

In another letter JRRT writes he's most alike to a Hobbit : enjoying his pipe, getting up late, etc.

Maybe some pundit should look it up, as i can't be bothered with it.

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Post#5 » Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:55 pm

It is found in his Letter #213, which was to Deborah Webster, in which he wrote among other things:
I am in fact a Hobbit (in all but size). I like gardens, trees and unmechanized farmlands; I smoke a pipe, and like good plain food (unrefrigerated), but detest French cooking; I like, and even dare to wear in these dull days, ornamental waistcoats, I am fond of mushrooms (out of a field); have a very simple sense of humour (which even my appreciative critics find tiresome); I go to bed late and get up late (when possible). I do not travel much.
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elrose
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Post#6 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:23 pm

sure he's a hobbit but what hobbit is he? Faramir seems most like Frodod or Bilbo and Bilbo is a writer, so is Frodo though...

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Post#7 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:37 am

Tolkien had Beren written on his grave and luthien on his wifes so that would kinda suggest who he saw himself as.

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Post#8 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:45 am

There is a footnote to one of his letters (one in which he mentions the Great Wave dream).

... As far as any character is 'like me' it is Faramir - except that i lack what all my characters possess (let the psychoanalysts note!) Courage.

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Post#9 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:35 pm

We seldom if ever dream (whether asleep or awake) of being a person with less admirable qualities than we possess. So those with less courage would see themselves as being more courageous. And while Faramir would be a good Third Age choice, Beren of the First Age would be even better as he is even more full of it, what ever it is. :elfbiggrin:
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Post#10 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:37 pm

There is a footnote to one of his letters (one in which he mentions the Great Wave dream).

Great Wave dream ? Apparently a mischievous student put some mescaline in the Professor's noon tea.

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