Tom Bombadil

sarawyn
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Tom Bombadil

Post#1 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:45 am

I'd just like to know other peoples opinions of this character...

is he a god..? / father nature..? / a wise old old man....? / someone who belongs in an asylum..??

anything goes.. :tigger:

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miruvor
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Tom Bombadil

Post#2 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:06 pm


sarawyn
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Tom Bombadil

Post#3 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:21 pm

way too intelligent, i just wanted peoples views on the fella.. :rolleyes:

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miruvor
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Post#4 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:38 pm

Plenty of those in the thread i referred you to.

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eruwen
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Post#5 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:34 pm

But of course...anyone who would like to share more opinions is more than welcome to, Sarawyn. Tolkien incorporated two ways for nature to deal with its destruction in LOTR -- the hostile reaction and the non-hostile. Tom Bombadil is way for him to show the gentler side of nature. Tom seems to be a spirit of nature, who is non-hostile, unlike the Ents who can get rather hostile. Tolkien never said if he was a Maiar or something along those lines though. We are not sure, we are only sure that the ring has no power over him, and this is probably because he doesn't desire that sort of power over the world. He is not aggressive. But, I like your thoughts that he may belong in an asylum :).

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miruvor
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Post#6 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:36 pm

Like Lady Goldberry said, Tom Bombadil is.

That's all there's to it. Hobbits, like all other Men, just have a habit of searching for an answer, even when one is not needed or available - which is logical, considering they don't have millennia to ponder the enigmas of Middle-Earth.

But yes, Tom Bombadil seems to be the epitome of one of JRRT's ideas about nature.

But, I like your thoughts that he may belong in an asylum

That's exactly what Tom Bombadil's land was. It was an asylum, where the Hobbits found shelter against the storm for a short while, before again weathering it. It would be the last part of Middle-Earth to fall, if Sauron would've been victorious.

Regardless of its usually pejorative connotation, an asylum is a place of protection, a sanctuary. That's the original meaning, coming from Latin.

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eruwen
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Post#7 » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:00 am

Well then, let me preface "asylum" with "insane." :mad2:

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lembas.bread
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Post#8 » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:40 pm

People really look too much into it... I think he is just a spirit of nature. He is a thing like no other. He is just another mysterious symbol in Tolkien's works.

1. I don't think he is a Maia because all other Maia's in ME were affected by the ring and he was not. Ex. Gandalf knew the effect it would have on him (new dark lord and so on), Saruman is driven mad, and obviously, it affected Sauron (gave him power, and all kinds of other things he keeps in his goody bag).

2. Tom isn't an elf because in The Fellowship he says he was already here when the elves past westward... so he isn't an elf, but he is very old!

3. As for the Vala theory, it is possible, but it all depends... Tom says he was in ME before the dark lord came from the outside. It also mentions that he was under the stars or something so he was inside ME. The only thing is if dark lord refers to Melkor then this is very significant, but if it it refers to Sauron (both came from the outside) then it isn't quite so. People discredit this since we already know all the Valar but in the silmarillion and such they say the valar have amny different names (mannish tounges, quenya, sindarin, adunaic languages) so he could be an incarnation of a Vala possibly, but I don't believe this as the Valar tend to leave Middle-earth alone to fare for itself and just send small helpers.

4. Tom isn't Illuvatar since Tolkiens says in some notes that Eru (another name for Illuvatar) has no other embodiement.

5. The last option I can think of is closer to what I believe. That TOm is a spirit (most likely some sort of nature one) I don't ahve a whole lot of info other than what you read in some of TOlkien's notes and the lost tales.

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bugyfeanor
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Post#9 » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:46 am

I agree: Tom is a mystery. He is a spirit, and I don't think he's anything less than Maia. He is a spirit of nature, but let's not forget the Valar (and some of the Maiar) represent the forces of natures themselves: I've always seen Osse as the raging storm on the see.

He couldn't be Iluvatar and I think Tolkien introduced Tom in his world exactly for this purpose: to puzzle. I mean, Men always want a clear answer and explanations to every little thing. I guess Tom Bombadil is just Tolkien's way of telling us: some things are beyond our understanding, so we should just let them be. :)
Evil may yet be good to have been ... and yet remain evil. (Silmarillion)

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cirdan
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Post#10 » Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:00 pm

I agree: Tom is a mystery. He is a spirit, and I don't think he's anything less than Maia. He is a spirit of nature, but let's not forget the Valar (and some of the Maiar) represent the forces of natures themselves: I've always seen Osse as the raging storm on the see.

He couldn't be Iluvatar and I think Tolkien introduced Tom in his world exactly for this purpose: to puzzle. I mean, Men always want a clear answer and explanations to every little thing. I guess Tom Bombadil is just Tolkien's way of telling us: some things are beyond our understanding, so we should just let them be.


Wow.I totally agree with you and how he could be just a piece of the puzzle that taunts us by the way it can fit in so many ways yet does not completely.

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