"Dark Queen" Galadriel

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Lord Of All
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"Dark Queen" Galadriel

Post#51 » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:50 am

Regardless of personal opinions about minion loyalties it is clearly stated that Galadriel could have overthrown Sauron if she had the Ring. :)

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Post#52 » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:44 pm

For more information about Galadriel's endeavours for power & glory, the following book is highly recommended : Shadow of a Dark Queen
Give up the Halfring, she-elf...

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Post#53 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:29 am

It seems here that what lady Galadriel said WOULD happen if she were in possession of the ring, and what would ACTUALLY be allowed to happen by her heart and mind were not the same. What I mean is that , even dear Gandalf, whose sole task on Middle-Earth was to encourage the resistance and only show his power when absolutely needed and obviously directed by Illuvatar, since he said he was sent back , it was not his choice-well even he said that if he had the Ring, regardless of how in the beginning he would want to use it to do good, it would overthrow him and he would end up doing great evil. It is the rings EFFECT upon the mind and heart since it is only evil and not necessarily anything in the person at the beginning. It is like a vile of acid. The first drip or two upon porcelain won't do that much harm, but drip after drip after drip will ultimately totally ruin and destroy the piece of porcelain.So if Gandalf said what would happen should he have it in his possession, why would not the same thing, only according to the Lady's mind and thoughts, do a similar disservice to her and ultimately bring total ruin?
But that does not mean either Gandalf or Galadriel were in any way bad to start off with. And although she did indeed have the desire to rule over her own people in her own place, how is that different from the thoughts and sentiments, NOT the destiny of King Elessar? He didn't enjoy all the pain an suffering and privation that led up to his kingship, but indeed he did desire it and the privelege of ruling over the people in a good and beneficial manner.
Those under Lord Celeborn and Lady Galadriel were not forced to be their subjects, indeed they loved and honored them and wanted to come under their leadership.
So really in my opinion this dark Queen thing is a non issue. :)

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Post#54 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:06 pm

So really in my opinion this dark Queen thing is a non issue.

Of course, but it is quite fun to imagine.
Give up the Halfring, she-elf...

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Post#55 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:40 pm

it is. :)
I have a confession to m ake Vir.
Whenever I don't see you for a bit and miss you I write something that I am quite certain you will answer in a timely fashion if you are around.
I was not disappointed. :elfbiggrin:

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Post#56 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:43 pm

Good ol' Vir! Always keeping us on our toes...

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Post#57 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:17 pm

Neither Gandalf nor Galadriel were evil nor did they have an evil thought in their bones. Still, their weakness was their want to do good. The Ring would have glombed-on to that weakness had they worn the Ring and eventually corrupted any good they tried to make. Their knowing this is why they chose not to take the Ring as their own. It is as simple as that.
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Post#58 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:32 am

Neither Gandalf nor Galadriel were evil nor did they have an evil thought in their bones.

Gandalf did not, Galadriel did, since there was a darkness in every Noldo's heart before and after the Darkening of Valinor.

Galadriel hated Fëanor for the darkness in his heart, but she did not perceive the darkness into her own; she saw the mote in Fëanor's eye, but in her typical condescending fashion she did not notice the beam in her own eye.

Yet she was first to cast the stone at the Craftsman of craftsmen, when he sat wailing under a Thracian tree for the loss of his beloved Silmarils.
Give up the Halfring, she-elf...

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Post#59 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:27 am

You know Vir, I am beginning to suspect that you have a secret crush on the Golden Lady. For I preceive that you 'doth protest too much and too loudly'. Hmmmmmmm. I wonder.
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Post#60 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:42 pm

I wouldn't say the Noldor had a remnants of evil on the haerts after the Darkening of Valinor. I would say rather that they wished to do things there own way and not the way of the Valar. I wouldn't call it evil. Not all who rebel contain evil, just as not all who do as there told are wholly good.
I do not think The Noldor, Galadriel or even Feanor for that matter possesed any more evil in them than did any of the Peoples of Arda. I think all beings in Ea, save Manwe had trace or larger amounts of evil in them, or at least the capability to exercise that evil, with the First Arda thanks to the Discord of Melkor's music. Only in the Second Arda will that be wiped clean.

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