Scenario : Balrog Takes Ring

valandil
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Scenario : Balrog Takes Ring

Post#1 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:49 am


Hi, I have been reading this forum for some time , but I didn't make an account until now. I am a big fan of the LOTR universe, I read the trilogy, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion and the Lost Tales of Numenor. My question for you is this ( I have been bothered by this for a while ) :



What would of happened if the Balrog ( Durin's Bane ) of Moria had defeated the Fellowship and took the Ring of Power from Frodo ?



-Could he control the power of the ring and become the most powerful being in Middle Earth ? Would Sauron then wage war on him and for the first time in history we would have 2 evil lords waging war against one another ? In this case it would seem wise to just give the ring to the Balrog , let the 2 factions kill eachother and the forces of good come and anihilate them both at the end - again , fictional scenario



- He couldn't control the ring, and thus try to destroy it in the fires of the deep ?



- He couldn't control the ring and gives it back to Sauron ( unlikely in my opinion since the Balrog doesn't seem to follow Sauron, he was a servant of Melkor and not of Sauron - a maiar like himself) Could giving the ring to the Balrog actually be a viable strategy in the long run ?



I wait for your opinions since this problem has bothered me for a while :D



curufinwe
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Post#2 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:47 pm


I think that Durins bane would take the ring for himself and become strong, stronger than anybody else in middle earth in the third age. he would go to mordor and sauron would decieve him into thinking he wanted to be his servant, then sauron would become "counselor" and eventually use the balrog to destroy his enemies. after he did that he would steal the ring back and become the godlike ruler of middle earth.



valandil
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Post#3 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:20 pm


That's a very good point. Sauron used that tactic with Ar-Pharazon and it worked perfectly.



Maybe the Balrog won't be so forgiving and easy to sway as a human.



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brego
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Post#4 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:34 pm


i supose if Durin's Bane managed to get hold of The One Ring he or she would have become an extremely powerful Maia. Things could have turned out pretty differently if this had indeed happened.



I shudder at the thought.



glorfindel
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Post#5 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:14 pm

Indeed Durin's bane would become powerful. Sauron would go into hiding or become his "servant" waiting for the ring to do its job. At the end, the balrog will become a servant of Sauron. There is only one lord of the rings, and he does not share power.

curufinwe
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Post#6 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:08 pm


The balrog would have the ring, and Sauron would not be able to sway him as easily as he swayed the kings of numenor, but if he had the ring then that would be enough motivation to stay with Sauron. I think one possibility we have not talked about is the possibility that the balrog notices that Sauron will backstab him cleverly and kills him as soon as he gets the ring. So if the balrog had the ring do you think he would be able to defeat Sauron in barad-dur?



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brego
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Post#7 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:06 am


I think the Balrog would prevail as,he could control all remaining Dark forces on ME if he showed himself, especially with Sauron's ring which contained a huge amount of the power lent to him by The First Dark Lord, Melkor himself.


glorfindel
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Post#8 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:13 am

Sauron can't be destroy unless destroying the ring itself.

I think the ring can corrupt the balrog. Even Gandalf didn't want the ring in fear of being corrupted himself.

iminyë
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Post#9 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:49 am


Hmmm...this is an interesting 'what if' scenario, one i admit I've never considered.



I have no doubt that the Durins Bane would become more powerful than the most/any Maia dwelling on Middle-Earth. The possibility that Sauron could trick Durins Bane the way he did the kings of Numenor i think could be a possibility, after all the ring would grant him power but that might not necessarily mean it would grant Durins Bane the necessary intellect to overcome Sauron's 'charms' 



Further it could be seen that although Durins Bane has had a might power increse, would that be enough for him/she/it to marshal/rally enough follows so to begin conquest of middle Earth. Perhaps the legions of accursed/dammed/unclean/corrupted that were under Sauron would be enough to overcome the might of Durins Bane. Think of it like this...toe to toe there were hardly any people on the 'good' side (save for people like Galadriel) who could possibly match Sauron in power, nevertheless the combination/culmination of forces of good helped to overthrow him. Could a collectively greater evil defeat a singularly powerful evil....i think it could.



Any thoughts?????



p.s - second topic since i joined yesterday...loving the ideas and seeing how others see J.R.R's crestion



Balrogs R Us
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Post#10 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:06 pm


Hm...



Well looking at the full picture here, one must ask if Durin's Bane would even know what the ring of power is. He escaped into Moria before the second age and so would have never heard of the rings of power. So, SHOULD the fellowship have been defeated, and assuming he checked their bodies, it's very possible he would've done nothing with it. Tossed it aside. Maybe he disposed of the corpses by throwing them down the same pit he fell into without closely examining them. This seems a bit more likely to me than him taking the ring and using it. Also I wouldn't say he didn't "help" Sauron, I just highly doubt he even knew what was going on. He wasn't king of the mountain or anything, with lots of servants to do his bidding. He was in hiding, buried as deep in the earth as the mountain would allow. Even the orcs didn't want anything to do with him. I do not doubt for a second that if Sauron knew where he was, he would have approached him for help, and more likely than not DB would've agreed. Obviously there'd be some arrangement, he rules the north, Saruman the south west, and Sauron the east. Something like that.



Of course the catch here is the ring of power has a will of its own. So we must ask would it have some way to "urge" DB to take the ring, or put it on or look at it or whatever. Certainly not impossible. On the other hand, if anyone's power was comparable to Sauron, it would've been a balrog (though Sauron would still be more powerful). So I don't think his will would bend as easily as a mortal man or elf.



Another scenario is a possible connection between two dark maia. What if DB did put the ring on and was able to "alert" Sauron of his presence. Upon Sauron finding him, they (they probably meaning the witch king as ambassador) would make a compromise that the balrog would get lots of power if he returned the ring and helped Sauron defeat the powers of the west.



I don't think it likely a balrog wouldn't be willing to help Sauron. I truly believe that had Sauron known of his existence, he would make any attempt to get him on his side. We have no record of Sauron even wanting the help of a balrog, much less trying to find him, so I would assume he doesn't even know it's an option. Now I don't think a dragon would help him unless LOTS of money and jewels were involved, but a balrog would do it just to cause fire and destruction. Balrogs are genuinely evil, dragons are just greedy bastards.



So thats my take. I don't think he'd know what the ring was. If he did decide to keep it, I don't believe it would wear him down like a mortal man, at least not for a long, long, long, long time, but more likely communicate through him to bring Sauron in. Honestly it seems more likely an orc would find it before the balrog. Once the fellowship was done, DB would go back into hiding. He's not interested in loot....



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