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Morambar
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Post#1 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:26 pm

S'pose it's about time I got 'round to this, especially since I seem to be feeling particularly verbose today, even for me; greetings, all. For the record, others may force me to call myself an "Elf" but I prefer the more accurate designation of "Noldorin." I'll try (really hard) not to get preachy on ya'll, but my posts to date should give a pretty accurate view of my position. Let's just say I plan to be around after the Great Wrack, and given Tolkiens background, this sometimes unavoidably creeps into my discussion of his work. I know my sig says I'm in Lothlorien, but that's more of an origin, really; I'm actually in Texas for the moment, and if I sometimes feel the last of my kind in the area, it has less to do with my race than my politics and religion (two subjects my grandfather always said were gauranteed to start a fight, so I'll leave it there.)

Now to a brief rant: while a Noldor, I'm not descended from the High King, and, as such, have no Vanyar blood (of which I know) in my veins, so my hair is NOT blonde, or golden, or anything similar; it's a dark brown, almost black. I'm not sure how a certain mortal movie director got the idea that most of the Eldar are blonde, when Tolkien clearly states that this was exceptionally uncommon in our race, and confined to the House of Finarfin, owing to his mother. I don't recall seeing as many blondes in Lothlorien as were represented in the movies, as our Queen is no more prolific than others of our race. I can only chalk this up to the same type of creative license that had Arwen flooking the Ford of Bruinen with some kind of Eldarin "magic" unique to her, rather than her father doing it with the Ring of Power well suited to such an act. The presence in Tolkiens more accurate version of Glorfindel changes nothing; there were only two places in Middle Earth anyone of the House of Finarfin was likely to be at the time, just as in the case of the other Glorfindel at the sorrow and glory filled Fall of Gondolin. Given the hostile view Thingol took of his sisterskins association with the (other) Noldorin leaders it seems unlikely (to say the least) that any of the House of Finarfin would have married into the royal line and thus give Legolas blonde hair; I really don't know what Jackson was thinking there. Oh, well....

Is there anyway to add/use a search function on this board or am I missing something? Being new here it would certainly help me navigate favorite topics, but since I'm not in a position to pony up some cash to implement such a thing I can't complain too much. Just wondering. Now back to the (other) fun.

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miruvor
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Post#2 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:55 pm

Given the hostile view Thingol took of his sisterskins association with the (other) Noldorin leaders it seems unlikely (to say the least) that any of the House of Finarfin would have married into the royal line and thus give Legolas blonde hair; I really don't know what Jackson was thinking there. Oh, well....

It is mentioned in the Silmarillion that Vanyar have golden hair, and Noldor have dark hair, but later due to Finwë's marriage to Indis of the Vanyar, blond hair entered the House of the Noldor.

But it is not mentioned what hair colour was most abundant amongst the highest group of Quendi, being the Teleri, the group Legolas belongs to. So it's possible both dark and blond hair were equally divided amongst the Teleri, which leads to the conclusion that Legolas could have had blond hair.

It is true though, that showing almost every Elf on screen as blond, as in the movies, is not very 'realistic'.

Anyway, i am glad that someone takes this matter to heart - i for me am annoyed by the fact that movie Faramir has brown hair, when JRRT clearly mentions Faramir to have dark hair :
And so they stood on the walls of the City of Gondor, and a great wind rose and blew, and their hair, raven and golden, streamed out mingling in the air.

Sincerely,

miruvor

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mellon
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Post#3 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:58 pm

Hello !! Welcome to PT !!! Share and enjoy :elfwink:

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Vee
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Post#4 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:11 pm

Hello Morambar and welcome. I have read a few of your posts and enjoyed them and I will do my best to join the discusions when a) I have time b) I have energy and c) the Cable Guy has fixed my broken cable modem (it is not nice when one's connection drops every few seconds).

And Vir (sorry, Miruvor) don't get me started on what 'they' did to Faramir in the movies...

P.S. To all newbies - I've posted the FAQ again. Any questions? And by the way, politics and religion are not topics for discussion on PT although sensible discussion within the context of Tolkien and his work is permitted. Morambar is quite right - those subjects can cause serious conflict.

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grondmaster
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Post#5 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:29 pm

Hi Morambar, the color of your hair, or whether you have any at all matters not a whiff around here, everyone is welcome as long as they have an interest in Tolkien and his writings. You especially so as you seem able to string words together such that we the illiterati can understand them. :elfbiggrin: See you around the forums. :happyelf:
'Share and enjoy'

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miruvor
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Post#6 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:56 pm

And Vir (sorry, Miruvor) don't get me started on what 'they' did to Faramir in the movies...

Well, pity PJ messed up Far's hair. Apart from that, he's almost exactly like in the books...

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Vee
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Post#7 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:08 pm

*splutter* but... but... what about Faramir and his dad, Faramir and his brother, Faramir and Frodo, Sam, Gollum.... Oh hang on! This is a wind up isn't it. You naughty person, you.

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miruvor
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Post#8 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:18 pm

Pft, who cares, it's just the best PJ could do. Obviously he didn't have the will and talent to give us anything better.

The One director, the maestro Mr Spielberg should've done it.

Anyway, Faramir's character is explained in the movies, isn't it ? He wants to take the Ring to daddy so that daddy would love him as much as big bro. And later on he tries to make daddy love him by riding fiercely into the battle.

Yup, makes perfect sense to me. PJ really changed the story for the better !

Morambar
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Post#9 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:28 pm

But that's just it: in the book, Faramirs desire to please his father is strong, but his sense of a Higher Duty compels him to leave Frodo to his task (hence the conflict Denethor always falsely perceived as a preference for Gandalf over him.) In the film, he falls prey to the same failing as Boromir and circumstance merely robs him of the chance to pursue it to the same destruction.

And lest I forget, thanks all, seems a friendly site, and Grondmaster, I'm touched; it's been a long time since someone actually APPRECIATED the way I write (I do run on, and some folks call me on it on other sites,) and after I Broke The Rule, too.

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miruvor
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Post#10 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:08 pm

But that's just it: in the book, Faramirs desire to please his father is strong, but his sense of a Higher Duty compels him to leave Frodo to his task (hence the conflict Denethor always falsely perceived as a preference for Gandalf over him.) In the film, he falls prey to the same failing as Boromir and circumstance merely robs him of the chance to pursue it to the same destruction.

I know what's in the books. The point is : it does not matter what is in the books. The movie is just an adaptation, nothing more. Whether we agree or disagree with PJ's adaptation, is another thing.

In PJ's adaptation, the emphasis is clearly set on action and battle; another director might have put more emphasis on the underlying themes of friendship, endurance, hope, etc. and given us less f/x and pixels, who knows. PJ just wanted to satisfy the masses and make a lot of money by giving the public what they all want nowadays : brainless action cheese mixed with wisecracks that's supposed to make up for no story.

That was his choice. A director like Mr Spielberg who has nothing anymore to prove, might have given us something else.

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