What's gonna happen in the movies?

The forthcoming Hobbit movie
Smeagollum
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What's gonna happen in the movies?

Post#1 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:37 pm

Hi everybody. I was wondering what you guys think will happen in the Hobbit movies in terms of where the first one cuts, how the necromancer plot will be incorporated, and if and how you think Aragorn and Arwen will be included. I know there's already an individual blog for all of this stuff, but I couldn't find anywhere to put down my ideas of the whole thing. Please leave your ideas :D !

I think what would happen would be that the movie would follow much the same plotline of the book until they reach Rivendell. At this point, Elrond tells Gandalf that Saruman is there too and they hold a council (basically a smaller version of the white council). Aragorn would be present at the council as well, seeing as he is trying to see Arwen secretly from her father and is therefore in Rivendell. It ends with them deciding (Saruman very unwillingly) that Dol Guldur must be attacked. They decide that they will send word to other important people to aid them in the assault (Radagast, Thranduil, Legolas etc).

Then the plot goes back mainly to the Hobbit and the Dwarves up until the edge of MIrkwood, every now and then switching back to Elrond, Aragorn and Arwen.
Gandalf says that he has important business in the south and goes to assault Dol Guldur with the elves of Mirkwood and the White Council. The battle (at the end of which Gandalf confronts the Necromancer and reveals it to be Sauron) along with the Bilbo saving the dwarves from the spiders would be the climax, at the end of which they realize that Bilbo is a capable member of the company and Gollum is seen climbing out into the daylight in search of the Ring.


In the second, it would begin with Gollum following the Orcs of the Misty Mountains toward the Lonely Mountain while they both search for Thorin's company.

The rest of the movie follows the plotline of The Hobbit, again occasionally checking up on Arwen. At Bilbo's confrontation with Smaug, the Ring could (in the slippery manner of the Ring) "fall off" Bilbo's finger, Smaug sees Bilbo, breathes fire, and in the heat the viewers see the engravings of the One Ring (although Bilbo doesn't).

In the Battle of Five Armies, of course ARAGORN AND LEGOLAS ARE THERE! (Those Orlando Bloom diehards will be happy) and blah blah blah, Gollum tries totake the ring from Bilbo during the battle, fails, and gets captured by those mean, tricksy orcses!

Sorry that was long-winded. I've though this through a lot.

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Bargolwash
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Post#2 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:59 pm

I like your idea of Legolas and Aragorn being at the battle, lol. But, for me I'm not going to try to think of how the movie will be. I'm waiting for Del Toro to pull that off.

rodu
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Post#3 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:53 pm

Why would we need Aragorn to be in the Battle of Five Armies, let alone in the movie. We have a differant would be king; Bard

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Beren
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Post#4 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:35 pm

Del Toro and Jackson are just finishing their first draft of the script. So they haven't even finalized the script yet. I strongly believe that they are visiting fansites and forums like this and are reading what the fans want. They are reading what the shallow fans want, they are reading what the LOTR fans want, and they are reading what the utter Tolkien nuts (like me) want. We have some sway. Never forget that.

With that said, I think they should stick with the book as much as possible. They SHOULD NEVER include Legolas (he would totally ruin it and try to make it a huge action film). Gollum should NEVER show up at the Battle, that would just be a repeat of LOTR (Gollum showing up at the climax). I think that they should stick with the book, and then add things that are absolutely necessary to link it to LOTR. I think we are all agreed that the White Council needs to be in it. Some of us think that either an Aragorn/Arwen romance or a Bard romance should be in it. Personally, I think romance would ruin it for me. Romance makes the stakes higher, it distracts people from the plot, and it makes the film fall into the rut of the rest of Hollywood. It would be a beautiful breath of fresh air if it had no romance. The book had no romance. The movie should have none. Aragorn/Arwen is arguable (since it really happened), but we have that in LOTR. We don't need it in the poor innocent Hobbit. People are trying to put too much weight on this movie. The less weight, the better. They must still link it to LOTR, but they should keep it's theme of innocence. Themes are very, very, very important.

rodu
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Post#5 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:56 am

Would it be a good idea to portray the movie as if the audience had never seen LOTR, that way the Ring is just a mysterious magic Ring, the Necromancer is a mystery, and Gollum is just some shadowy figure hiding under a mountain?

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brado1
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Post#6 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:10 pm

rodu wrote:Would it be a good idea to portray the movie as if the audience had never seen LOTR, that way the Ring is just a mysterious magic Ring, the Necromancer is a mystery, and Gollum is just some shadowy figure hiding under a mountain?



I agree totally, with the exception of Gollum, he's such a cool character, and with CGI capabilities getting better year after year, i cant wait to see what they do for him. As for the Ring it should not be it's own character like in the Trilogy. I don't even think there should even be a hint of it being evil.

As for the battle of the five armies i just hope it is as cool as this painting by Justin Gerard

[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d2XY6lj3CKo/Sawtx6dnE2I/AAAAAAAAAkM/QP8u09BIqN8/s400/JG_BattleofFiveArmies_109_e.jpg[/img]

large version http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d2XY6lj3CKo/S ... _109_e.jpg

rodu
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Post#7 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:00 pm

The only hint of the Ring being evil I would use is maybe at the end of the movie, have some sort of close up of it and have it make that whisper it would make in the LOTR movies, only fainter.

Another thing I was wondering a while back. In the Hobbit book, it was clearly aimed at a younger audience, and the dwarves set off on their quest seemingly unarmed and unarmored. Since this movie will be more along the lines of the LOTR movies, would it make sense to arm and equip the dwarves?

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Post#8 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:50 pm

Alas, smeagollum... Your version would be too much a rip off of the original series... You have some cool ideas about incorporating the characters from the trilogy, but it just seems like a simpler format of the lotrs. The hobbit is such an awesome tale by itself.

In my opinion, arwen and aragorn shouldnt appear much if at all.

Orlando bloom is too much of an attention sucker. plus, if he were to agree to be in a film, he'd need a semi-leading role.

NO COUNCIL at rivendell. We already saw that and has no relevance in the story. The ring has not been found, its still lost.. Sauron is still believed to be vanquished. The only problem is the Necromancer. Gandalf, i think, had suspicions about his true identity, but they werent relevant until the lotrs.

Oh, rodu- I absolutely LOVe your idea about making the ring whisper or something at the end. The ring's menacing nature was so well pulled off in the ttrilogy, i still get shivers. It would be great like when balin and bilbo are visting at the end, the focus shifts to wherever the ring is (on bilbo's mantle piece, or better yet being caressed in his hands!!!) and we here a whisper of doom. Brilliant idea, man..

rodu
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Post#9 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:58 pm

Watching the Council of Elrond scene on my DVD, it gave me an idea for a scene later in the Hobbit movie. When Thorin confronts the survivors of Esgaroth and the elves, and they demand, he nearly looses, it, and then goes completely ape **** when Bilbo reveals that he gave them his Arkenstone....what if it was the influence of the Ring on him, magnifying his greed.
I would have a more subdued version of the Mordor theme playing in the background, and the Ring's "voice" quietly chanting the inscription on the Ring as it was during the Council. Of course no one would realize this is the Ring at work, save the viewing audience
What do you think?

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Beren
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Post#10 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:38 pm

although that may be kind of cool, rodu, I don't think it has a place in that part of the story. Thorin is ticked off that Bilbo gave up the Arkenstone, which is what Thorin has been wanting more than anything else. It's all about the Arkenstone, and the Ring has no bearing on the situation. But, in a sense, the Arkenstone is kind of Thorin's own Ring in the way that he desires it so much. But the analogy breaks down pretty soon, so I wouldn't take it very far.

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