Would Tolkien even approve?

The forthcoming Hobbit movie
sauron0330
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Would Tolkien even approve?

Post#1 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:25 pm

Given what Ive read of the great man I put the question to all,would he even have approved of The Hobbit and LOTR being made into movies at all?










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Post#2 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:23 pm

Based on Tolkien's letters I think it's safe to conclude he would have disliked many of the changes to LotR (and some of the hypothesized ones for The Hobbit), but in principle I think he was fine with films being attempted. He and his published had agreed on a policy of 'Cash or kudos' when it came to proposals to buy the film rights; meaning either a guarantee of a faithful adaptation or else a large sum of money. :P

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Post#3 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:24 pm

Funny to say it, but Tolkien probably would have hoped they SilmarillionLotRized "The Hobbit!" Go figure! (Poor old muddle-minded Tolks!)

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Post#4 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:08 am

He adamantly disapproved in his lifetime due to the limited technology to do a Fantasy Film right. He didn't want his work looking like "Cheap Panto(mime)" and puppets. So I think he would be thrilled today, to see how well it turned out.

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Post#5 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:10 am

Odo Banks wrote:Funny to say it, but Tolkien probably would have hoped they SilmarillionLotRized "The Hobbit!" Go figure! (Poor old muddle-minded Tolks!)


What makes you say that? :?

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Gandalfs Beard
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Post#6 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:22 pm

Perhaps the fact that Tokien was trying to do so himself. ;)

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Post#7 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:23 pm

*sighs* We've talked about this before. Tolkien made an abortive attempt at it but changed his mind and abandoned the project after getting feedback on it. I don't understand this focus on one abandoned idea that Tolkien had. :roll:

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Post#8 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:28 pm

Yes, he changed his mind because Odo went back into the past and gave him what for :lol: . That doesn't mean he didn't still WANT to do it. It just means he couldn't figure out how to do it at the time. Had he lived another 30-40 years, he would have seen that Marvel Comics had no problem rebooting a lot of their line-ups for The Ultimate series, while the originals continued merrily along beside them.

Or he might have seen Rashomon, or Hero, and seen how well telling the same tale from multiple viewpoints can work. Then he would have realized that all he had to do was tell the story from another perspective, say Gandalf's for example. It wouldn't be Bilbo's version. He wouldn't have to change the original story, just retell it in LotRized form. Both could exist side by side on the same bookshelf.

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Post#9 » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:33 am

Gandalfs Beard wrote:That doesn't mean he didn't still WANT to do it. It just means he couldn't figure out how to do it at the time.


That seems to me a wholly unwarranted conclusion. Tolkien had no problem ignoring advice and/or criticism when he didn't like it, so his acceptance of advice in this case indicates that he was convinced by it. Additionally, he did know how to do it and was in the process of it; he just stopped after obtaining feedback. Regardless of what you or other fans want, Tolkien decided against LotRizing The Hobbit. If he had really thought it a good idea he would have gone ahead with it regardless of the advice he had (look at Carpenter's Biography for some examples of Tolkien's stubbornness; I believe you've read that book).

While it is possible that Tolkien would have changed his mind again if he had lived 30 years longer, I think it is rather arrogant for anyone who is not Tolkien or at least did not know Tolkien personally to make a statement such as that in light of what Tolkien actually did.

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Post#10 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:12 am

I'm not saying that I know for a fact that he would have written a new version :roll: . No-one could know that (except maybe Christopher). I just know from other sources, including the annotations for Roverandom, that he wasn't entirely happy with leaving The Hobbit in a "Children's Story" format.

And I wouldn't want him to have supplanted the original anyway. It just would have been cool to have a "grown up" version too 8-) .

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