MGM is holding up The Hobbit

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Post#1 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:14 am

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This is what I expected was causing the delay in green-lighting, but it's nice to know for sure. Of course, it would be even nicer for the situation to be resolved. :roll: If MGM can't find new ownership and commit to helping with The Hobbit soon, I don't think the Summer 2010 filming date will be met. If filming is pushed back then, by PJ's estimation, The Hobbit won't be released until 2012. Sadly this is looking more and more likely to me.

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Post#2 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:01 pm

Well, production is moving ahead despite MGM's troubles, and as the decision has obviously been made to film in 3D, project developers have clearly given themselves the green light. They are obviously not waiting around for the bean counters to get their act together. Whoever finally ends up with MGM will be forced to pick up the mantle of a film already in production, and there is no reason they would balk at such a lucrative property. Jackson's production company is no doubt counting on this and forging ahead, hoping that the project itself (already underway) will pull MGM's woes out of the fire.

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Post#3 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:32 pm

Gandalfs Beard wrote:Well, production is moving ahead despite MGM's troubles


Not so. Pre-production - writing the script, building sets, etc. - is going on and has been since 2007 or 2008.

as the decision has obviously been made to film in 3D, project developers have clearly given themselves the green light.


1. We've heard nothing of an official decision, just hearsay from anonymous sources. Perhaps the studios would like to film in 3D, but I doubt they've committed to it yet (see below).
2. The people working on the project can't give the green-light, the studio has to (according to PJ). Also according to PJ, the green-light hasn't been given. Everything is in the basic early stages.

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Post#4 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:32 am

I get your point Eldo. But who's paying for the pre-production, and why would they bother building sets unless they were certain? The thing is, producers of hot properties have been known in the past to damn the torpedoes and forge ahead, pulling the studios along behind them. Scriptwriting is one thing, set building is another thing entirely.

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Post#5 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:26 pm

I heard what they are doing now refered to as "pre-preproduction" as in unofficial preproduction without a budget, man is the Hobbit caught in a bunch of red tape.

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Post#6 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:51 pm

Gandalfs Beard wrote:But who's paying for the pre-production, and why would they bother building sets unless they were certain?


It's possible that the pre-production is being paid for by PJ, or that Warner Bros. is simply taking a gamble by going ahead with set-building, etc. No one in their right minds will let The Hobbit fall through when it's pretty much guaranteed to give two hit movies, and I think Warner Bros. just wants to be ready in case the deal comes through quickly. If it takes a while, at least they're ready and can start filming as soon as the financial/legal stuff falls into place.

The thing is, producers of hot properties have been known in the past to damn the torpedoes and forge ahead, pulling the studios along behind them. Scriptwriting is one thing, set building is another thing entirely.


See above: they're almost certainly going to film at some point. I don't think them building sets is enough to disprove the reports that a final budget has yet to come through. There may be an unofficial or ad hoc budget in place, but it seems they're still waiting for all the formalities and contracts to be finished.

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Post#7 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:56 pm

Then we basically agree. Obviously the big Honchos (MGM) are too wrapped up in their troubles to give their blessing. But I would think that Jackson, his deep pockets and his obsession will carry the film forward until other investors jump on board.

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Post#8 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:53 am

I believe we do agree, yes. :mrgreen: Though I don't think PJ can carry the film on his own through production. Then again, he is quite rich, so maybe he'll pull a Lucas and finance the whole thing. Hopefully he won't imitate too many other behaviors of Lucas though. :?

MGM really can't approve anything now since they are billions of dollars in debt and scrambling to find someone willing to buy them. The new owner(s) will, presumably, be able to meet MGM's commitments with regards to The Hobbit.

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Post#9 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:32 am

I [b:3cf1vupb][i:3cf1vupb]was[/i:3cf1vupb][/b:3cf1vupb] thinking of Lucas as a model of how it's done, yes :lol: . But I don't think we have to worry about Jackson losing his ability direct live actors at least. He's much more involved in the Human Emotion angle of story-telling, whereas Lucas was more interested in the story as "Chess" and the visuals.

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Post#10 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:16 pm

Whatever I may say about PJ, I am very glad that he didn't go overboard with the CGI like Lucas did. I actually think LotR's CGI tends to be better than that of the Star Wars prequels on a technical level, but PJ was able to limit his use of it and also employ models, miniatures, and the like. I think that makes the films feel more gritty and real. PJ has said that he was inspired by the 'used future' look of the original Star Wars, and while Lucas largely abandoned that in the prequels, PJ was able to apply it quite well to the mythical past.

And of course, as you mention, the acting in LotR is much better. :mrgreen:

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