Earendil

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PlasticSquirrel
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Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I always thought that Strider just meant that it was being a bit presumptious to go making a song about Earendil in his son's house. Kind of like someone telling you how to bring up your kids, really annoying. And like father like son, Tuor naffed off in his boat as well don't forget.
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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Don't think that Earendil had anything to be guilty about. If I remember correctly, he sailed far & wide to 1) find Idril & Tuor, and 2) seek to deliver the postBody of the 2 Kindreds. He was away when the sons of Feanor attacked Sirion and 'kidnapped' Elrond & Elros. And when he did finally deliver the postBody, he wasn't allowed to return to ME. Simple. :)

I admire him for his sense of duty - putting the needs of his people ahead of his own children. Of course, you may disagree, but then I don't believe in the crap that parents nowadays seem to spout about needing to be with their kids 24/7. :P

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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I agree with The Plastic Squirrel. I also thought that was why Tolkien chose to use the word 'cheek' for it. Sort of like one of us going up to Chris Tolkien and telling him the story of The Hobbit.

Had there been a taboo, Bilbo probably wouldn't have had access to the story in order to write his poem. And the elves certainly wouldn't have humored him by asking for an encore. And I'm never wrong, except on Thursdays. Egad! Its still Thursday here. Oh well.
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Like your interpretation Grondmaster. You probably are right, as usual.

Earendil. Yes alright, maybe we could argue that it wasn't really his fault. I guess what irked me was the "Sons of Earendil" title bestowed upon mariners, after Earendil said something like "Never mind, I'll call all the sailors my sons since my real ones are almost certainly dead..."

I have always felt (even before having children of my own) that a parent would make sure their children were dead before giving up and going about their business. I thought he gave up to easily. But then Earendil had never seen his sons, so I suppose he wouldn't feel to much attatchment.
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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

"This must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays......" :)
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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I don't think Earendil never saw his sons...he built Vingilot after Elwing bore him Elrond & Elros. His level of attachment...well, who knows? They were kids then, and I don't think fathers back then were expected to spend 'quality time' with little brats. They'd be more useful & closer to him as they got older I suppose. Doesn't mean that he didn't cherish his sons...his duty lay elsewhere at that time.

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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Tolkien was very conscious about the duties of a father towards his family... In the Silm Finrod Felagund is told not to marry among others because he had a premonition that he must be free to be able to go into darkness when summoned (however, it's also true that his love choose not to go with him into ME and stayed in Valinor...).
Perhaps Frodo is also depicted as a celibatary "old bachelor" in order to save him such a conflict of duties?

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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Perhaps Frodo is also depicted as a celibatary "old bachelor" in order to save him such a conflict of duties?
I don't think you really know if he was celibate, you are just assuming it from lack of data.

Tolkien omitted writing anything about the sexual mores of the hobbit, because it just wasn't considered polite, in his day and age, to spy on the bedrooms of others. Frodo, as well as Bilbo, may have kept a mistress in Bywater or its environs. However, your point about no children is a given, and your reasoning why is sound. :)
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Post#9 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

What a surprising comment! Opens a whole new field of sepculations... But are you REALLY sure that you wish us to engage our thoughts in that direction?
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I dunno, cos Sam talks about Rosie during the book, but Frodo (and indeed Bilbo) never mention anyone, except each other :o
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