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plutoniumdwarf
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Post#1 » Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:06 pm

Do we actually know anything about the Ents? I don't believe that there is anything in the Lord of the Rings about the actual history of the Ents. Did Tolkien write in length about he Ents?

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Peredhil
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Post#2 » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:08 am

Ents, I believe, came into being shortly after the Elves, before Men or Dwarves, to protect the trees. With this in mind, we can hazard a guess that Yavanna played a part in their origins. The Entwives disappeared at the end of the Second Age; I think Sauron scattered them in the War of the Last Alliance (maybe someone can verify this). I think Ents are mortal, but far more long lived than any other mortal species, including the trees over whom they preside. As concerns the nature of their being, I am unsure whether the Ents were merely spirits inhabiting trees (Maiar of Yavanna maybe? Or possibly something of the same enigmatic nature of Tom Bombadil?), or a race in their own right; I suspect the latter.
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deathmc
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Post#3 » Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:02 am

I believe the origins of the Ents are mentioned in the Silmarillion. In the beginning. That they were created at roughly the same time (if we can speak of time back then) as the Eagles.
Hold on, I will look into it.

/me grabs his copy of The Silmarillion, and looks through the pages...

I found it, right were I expected it to be. On page 41 (at the end of chapter 2 [Of Aule and Yavanna]). On the end it says: "But in the forests Shall walk the Shepherds of the Trees".
Maybe some-one with more books by Tolkien, like maybe HOME, can shed more light upon this matter. This is the only thing I know about the Ents, not mentioned in LOTR.

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Post#4 » Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:13 am

In the LoTR, after the battle of Helms deep, Gandalf answer when questioned about the sudden apperance of living trees: (freely translated from german, that I for reasons not clear to myself chose to read it in) "...a power, that already walked the earth before the elves sang and the dwarfs hammered."

So that would be before the elves then?
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valedhelgwath
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Post#5 » Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:37 pm

Prior to the Elves awaking, Aule impatiently created the Dwarves. Although they were put into a sleep so they would not awake before the Elves, who were supposed to be the Firstborn, Yavanna was upset because she realised her husband had created something that would use her trees as fuel. With the aid of Manwe, she asked Eru for something to protect her trees. His response....

From the Silmarillion - of Aule and Yavanna

Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared.


To me, this implies that Maiar spirits were summoned by Yavanna which entered the trees to become the ents. Although it does not specifically mention the spirits being Maiar, at the time only Valar and Maiar resided in Ea, so those spirits must have been Maiar.

In addition to the creation of the ents, Yavanna's thoughts also mingled with those of Manwe, and from these thoughts came the Great Eagles.

Further to the history mentioned in LotR, we also know that the Ents originally lived in Beleriand for they aided Beren's attack on the Dwarves from Nogrod, who had just killed Thingol.

It is a mystery what happened to the Entwives. They became estranged from the Ents and moved to the area of the Wold which became the Brown Lands. There they taught Men the art of farming and horticulture. Sauron, however, destroyed this land, burning and scorching it. Whether the Entwives were wiped out in this attack, Tolkien does not say. They have been reported as being missing ever since, however.

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virumor
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Post#6 » Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:22 am

To me, this implies that Maiar spirits were summoned by Yavanna which entered the trees to become the ents. Although it does not specifically mention the spirits being Maiar, at the time only Valar and Maiar resided in Ea, so those spirits must have been Maiar.

I don't think Yavanna sent those spirits, i thought that Yavanna went for advice to Eru, because she feared the trees would be destroyed/damaged by the Dwarves' axes and Eru then ensured her he would do something to protect the trees. He then ensured her that he'd send spirits as soon as the Firstborn'd awake.

Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared.

I interprete this quote as Yavanna giving Eru a sign that it is time to send spirits to Arda, as they agreed to do. 'from afar' could point out that the spirits are sent from the Halls of Eru.

I wonder : was Old Man Willow an Ent who completely fell asleep long time ago and so developed a hatred towards all walking things? a corrupted Ent ?
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valedhelgwath
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Post#7 » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:36 pm

I wonder : was Old Man Willow an Ent who completely fell asleep long time ago and so developed a hatred towards all walking things? a corrupted Ent ?


I always took Old Man Willow to be a Huorn.

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Post#8 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:42 pm


Yavanna wanted to give life to the trees but i don't think it was in response to the creation of the dwarves.



we see in the chapter of Aule and Yavanna,



Yavanna tells Manwe how she wants to give life to the trees so they might defend themselves



'this is a strange thought' said Manwe



'yet it was in the song.' said Yavanna 'for when thou wert in the heavens and with ulmo built the clouds and poured out the rains, i lifted up the branches of great trees to receive them, and some sang to Illuvata amid the wind and the rain.'



which suggests that it was planned from the start to give life to the trees.



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brego
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Post#9 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:37 pm

What a lovely thought Rana. I think that in Arda the trees are sentient and alive. However most of them simply move so slowly that we cannot tell. The Elves held more reverence for the trees than Mortals did. Perhaps they knew what we don't. The Huorns perhaps were awoken by The Ents in some way, sped up perhaps. Another Tolkien mystery. Therefore Yavanna's part of the song was heard by Eru.

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Post#10 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:42 pm


i don't think they're as old as elves but they're pretty old!



 



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