A question about Glorfindel

thrain iii
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#1 » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:37 pm

Tolkien wrote that glorfindel intercepted the hobbits and strider while they were en route to rivendell, but also wrote that glorfindel did battle with a balrog and died in the silmarillion.
please explain

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virumor
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#2 » Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:10 am

Glorfindel from Gondolin and Glorfindel from Rivendell are one and the same person. This is possible because Elven spirits go to the halls of Mandos when slain, and after a while are able to return to the land of the living.

After returning from the halls of Mandos, Glorfindel apparently returned to Middle-Earth in the 2nd Age to assist Gil-Galad and Elrond in their struggle with Sauron.
Give up the Halfring, she-elf...

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Amarië
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#3 » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:04 am

We have a Glorfindel thread here, well worth a look . Allyssas quote on page 2 explains a lot. :)
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ferris greenleaf
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#4 » Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:13 am

hi i think glorifindel is an awesome caracter!!

celebrimbor
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#5 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:59 pm

Actually I thought that when elves came back into the living after dieing, couldn't they like come back in their kids or something? Just what I heard not to sure
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valedhelgwath
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#6 » Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:53 pm

Actually I thought that when elves came back into the living after dieing, couldn't they like come back in their kids or something? Just what I heard not to sure


I think the main reason why the Silmarillion did not go into much detail on the subject of Elven reincarnation was because JRR appeared a little undecided on just how it should happen. In Morgoth's Ring he does mention that Elves could return from the Halls of Mandos into new born children, but this then presented him with a dilemna that the new born child would have the mind and spirit of another elf, and in effect rob the proud parents of creating a new entity of their own. He toyed with the idea also of creating a union between such a reincarnated elf and new born spirit which would eventually meld into one. To me it seemed that the harder he tried to solve this dilemna, the deeper he dug himself into trouble. I think in the end he chose to just leave it to the imagination of the reader, hence only brief clues as to the fate of dead elves in the Silmarillion.

loni
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#7 » Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:54 pm

Well, I just assumed Glorfindel and Glorfindel were two different elves bearing the sae name. I had no idea there was reincarnation afoot. You learn something everyday! Thanks! And I shall go to the Glorfindel thread right now.

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bugyfeanor
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#8 » Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:29 pm

Tolkien had this thing about Elves' names: apparently, there couldn't have been two of them bearing the same name; smth to do with the character and the significance of the name!
It's also mentioned somewhere in Morgoth's Ring that, if an Elf would die, but his hroa (body) was not irreversably harmed, he could, after spending his due time in the Halls of Mandos, get back into the natural union of fea and hroa. That explains why Glorfindel could have his body back!
Evil may yet be good to have been ... and yet remain evil. (Silmarillion)

tasari
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A question about Glorfindel

Post#9 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:32 pm

I'm interested, are there any other elves who have been reincarnated? (Apart from Glorfindel),
and can Elves reincarnate with a different name?

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virumor
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Post#10 » Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:56 am

Probably Finrod, as it's mentioned in the Sil "he walks again with his father", or something. But i don't call this reincarnation as they don't exactly get born again - their soul just enters a new body and that's it. It's more resurrection instead of reincarnation.

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