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Allyssa
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Post#1 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Anyway, the idea of an elf and a dwarf 'doing it' is rather disturbing. I mean, really, picture that! :disturbed:


I am with you on that one Prog. Ewwww, *shudders*

Problem with theory: Hobbits are smaller than dwarves. Wouldn't a dwelf (dwarf-elf) be about 5 feet tall?

Tolkien cannon: Elves have always considered dwarves to be "unlovely" calling them the naugrim or "stunted people". Elves and dwarves are probably very biologically different, since Dwarves were given shape by Aule and Elves by Eluvatar. Elves do not appear to have sexual relations as often or as carelessly as humans. There have never been any illegitimate elves in ME, so why would there be illegitimate half-elves? Marriages between elves and humans were considered highly irregular, so I cant imagine their laws allowing a marriage to a Naugrim. I am sure that Tolkien describes the hobbits as a separate race, but they were not included in any early histories because they kept themselves seperate from other races, pursuing peaceful activities, much as they did at the time of theWotR.

Elf and Dwart intermarriages? Tolkien would be horrified...:hahaha: I can picture him turning over in his grave, and Christopher having some kind of attack.

This is an interesting discussion, however. I hope some others have some comments! :D
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Boring
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Post#2 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Ieeww thats really sex a dwarf having it off with a elf ... yukkk

But well it isn't Impossible some elves could have been used as spoils off war by some dwarfs full of testosteron by the battle :P

I think the elf in question would kill her self if that would happen but not impossible but i don't know the elfs pregnant of dwarfs would spawn halflings ... they are just to different. ergo I think they would give birth to (as Alyssa said) dwelfs.. a hidious and shunted creature of the night...

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Post#3 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

The Periannath are first mentioned in records, with the coming of the Harfoots to Eriador in 1050 TA - ROTK , Appendix B
Prior to their meeting in Fangorn, the Ents had no knowledge of their existence. Tom Bombadil, who if put to it, could probably remember their moving into his neighborhood, but he wouldn't have been curious enough to enquire from whence they came. For any earlier history of the hobbits, such as their origins, one would need to consult Elrond, or better yet Gandalf who made a study of these diminutive creatures. And I doubt if he could tell much more about their earlier history, other than what has probably come down from him, through to Bilbo and Frodo, into The Red Book, and thus to us. I have written below what I gleaned from this source (ROTK, Appendix B).

Regardless of how Ilúvatar called the first hobbits into being, they first lived in the Wilderland between the Anduin and the Greenwood (later to be called Mirkwood when Sauron moved to Dol Guldur). As was said above the Harfoots entered Eriador in 1050 TA. Then about 150 years later the Fallohides entered; the Stoors came over the Redhorn Pa*s and moved to the Angle, or to Dunland. After about another 150 years, the Periannath migrated westward with many settling in Bree. In 1601 TA (Year 1 SR) many Periannath migrated from Bree to the land beyond the Baranduin, which they called The Shire; about thirty years later they were joined by Stoors coming up from Dunland. About 860 years later the Stoor Déagol, whose family hadn't migrated across the Misty Mountains, found the One Ring and was murdered by Sméagol. And 480 years after that Gandalf and Thorin and company show up on Bilbo's doorstep in 2941 TA (1340 SR). A more fuller history of these early movements can be found on the third through sixth pages of Professor Tolkien's Prologue to The Fellowship of the Ring.

I very much doubt if the hobbits are the product of any inter-species breeding, rather that they are a separate species created by Ilúvatar way-back-when. And for reasons of his own, he made three distinct families of them: the Harfoots (smaller and shorter, friendly with Dwarves); the Stoors (broader, friendly with men); and the Fallowhides (bolder, from which their aristocracy formed, and friendly with Elves).
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Halo_Black
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Anyway, the idea of an elf and a dwarf 'doing it' is rather disturbing. I mean, really, picture that! :disturbed:

Eewwww! I was trying [u]not[/u] to think about that part. I'm gonna be traumatized for life now :dead:

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Post#5 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I dunno, I quite like the idea....;)
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TomBombadillo
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Post#6 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

I kinda figured you did... Only Plastic... :wink:

No the idea is quite absurd I think. I mean really, can you picture a marriage between a dwarf and an elf? I certainly can't... And what about beards? Hobbits do not have beards, dwarves do. And if there was elvenblood in hobbits, wouldn't they have a love for travelling or such? And since when do hobbits have pointy ears? :cool: I'm letting myself loose again in a *however interesting* rather silly discussion. :wink: No offence whatsoever, you know. :smoke:
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Post#7 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Stoorish Hobbits can grow beards ;)
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rednell
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Post#8 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Somehow I thought you would like that idea, Plastic. :funnylaugh:

However: From Tolkien’s letters #319:
...my hobbits were in any case of wholly dissimilar sort, a diminutive branch of the human race.


As mentioned before, details on how the hobbits came to ME are sketchy at best in the books. But there is a lot of reference to hobbits in The Letters of J R R Tolkien. Apparently he was asked about this very thing many times. In fact Christopher adds in a footnote to Letter #131 that hobbits are a branch of the specifically human race (not Elves or Dwarves)....


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grondmaster
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Post#9 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

Sort of like rustic English pygmies? Maybe more modern agrarian Picts without their blue dye? :cool:
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valedhelgwath
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Post#10 » Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am

They remind me of the Landed Gentry from the English Shires and the Lincolnshire farmers. Scaled down a little of course.

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