Samwise Gamgee

ashley276
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Samwise Gamgee

Post#201 » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:06 pm

I have just finished the LOTR (and am in the processs of re-reading them) and I like Sam I think that he possess some wonderful qualities that I think are lacking in too many people these days. He was the one that in the end got Frodo all the way to Mt. Doom and he kept him alive on the trip there all the while through Mordor, I think that had it not been for Sam I often wonder if Frodo would have made it all the way to complete his journey?? I would love to have a friend that is that loyal to me. I think that the relationship with Sam and Frodo is more than employer/employee I think that Sam genuinely loves and respects Frodo and I think that Frodo feels the same way about Sam. In a series of books that are full of heroes I think that of all the heroes for many reasons Sam is the biggest hero becuase he makes the sacrifice to leave the only home that he knows to go out to places that he has never been. I mean yeah Gandalf caught him "dropping eves" but I think that Gandalf being wise chose Sam the same reasons that I like Sam he is loyal, he loves Frodo and Gandalf knows that no matter what Sam will never leave Frodo or "lose him". I also think that it is Sam that keeps Frodo going there are many times that save for Sam, Frodo would have given up the journey becuase I think that towards the end Frodo was starting to succumb to the Ring and it was Sam that kept him going with the knowledge that they were doing something for the greater good, and they had to keep going no matter what the cost. I think that Sam was a wonderfully written character and his love and loyalty for Frodo were the most beautifully written things that I have ever read. I think that Sam's love for Frodo was one of the reasons that I instantly loved this series of stories.

Thanx
Sorry to Ramble

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ayan
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Post#202 » Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:56 am


Agree with u Ashley. without Sam ,frodo cudnt even cross the Emyn Muil forget about Mt Doom. i like him as he is . stupid , blundering fellow who would die for his master.i wud have been better if Frodo was potrayed as his friend and not his master. thats right Ash, Sam does have qualities which are lacking in most people nowadays. but i must also say that no one can be like Sam completely coz Sam's character at some point is a bit too ideal and cannot be found in the real world.
oh , Welcome to PT! Ashley dear ,i hope u have a great stay at PT.
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Post#203 » Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:28 pm

Ashley276: Rambling isn't an offence as long as it makes sense, which your post does. My old eyes often get lost in such lenthy posts making it dificult for my mind to find its way back to where it left the author's argument. Were all lengthy posts broken up into subparagraphs of approximately five lines each, they would be much easier to read.
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Post#204 » Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:26 pm

Thank you all for the nice comments I guess that I just got a little over the top on that post. But I really liked Sam and I just thought that his loyalty was overwhelming at points "I can't carry it for you but I can carry it and you" I mean now that is loyalty at its ideal. I really like this site and the posts are so well written and the replies are even better even when I do not agree and that is refreshing to find.

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Post#205 » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:12 pm

I was browsing through some of the other posts and I noticed an interesting one on Sam's treatment on Gollum. I think that maybe that was a wee bit of a flaw on Sam's part but not as a whole. I am not sure if it should be called a flaw really, I think that Sam's treatment of Gollum was beacause Sam saw that Gollum was truly corrupted and like he said "there's naught left in him but lies and decit" I think that his treatment of him was based on his lack of understanding that it was the ring that made Gollum evil and that Frodo wanted better yet Frodo needed to believe that Gollum could be saved because otherwise Frodo could end up like that. I am not sure if that made any sense at all. But IMO in the end Sam was right and there was nothing left in Gollum but lies, decit and a flaming desire to possess that ring. All Sam wanted to do was protect Frodo from Gollum if he could since he knew that he really could not protect him from the Ring really. I am not sure but maybe this post belongs in a thread about Gollum if there is one?? Is there??

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Post#206 » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:09 pm

I am not sure where I read this, but it seems to me that Tolkien confesses to not liking Sam much and distinctly disliking the Gaffer because of a certain dumb arrogance. It's probably in the letters, the one book I would like to have and don't. Somewhere else, Carpenter's bio probably, it says that he hated the army but was very impressed with the moral fibre of the common british soldier and someone (Shippey?) feels that Sam comes from that experience.

I haven't liked Sam much either. He's irritating and kind of ignorant. However, that's not the point, I think. Not for us nor for Tolkien. I know people I love to be with whom I don't much respect and I know people who are, for me, a bore, but are far far better human beings than I. We can't rate people because of their entertainment value. Sam is a great hero whether or not he is the ideal dinner guest.

For that matter, these books are great books because they are more than just entertainment. They are even great entertainment because they are more than entertainment.

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Post#207 » Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:17 pm

I am not sure but maybe this post belongs in a thread about Gollum if there is one?? Is there?


There is this one
A New Perspective on Gollum

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