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Post#1 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:14 pm

This thread is for discussion of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. No holds barred here.

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Post#2 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:07 am

Ahh... Slur. You didn't fail me. I finished the book yesterday. I then lent it to my boyfriend's sister. She was going out of her mind since she hadn't been able to get to the bookstore saturday. Now I miss the book, I want to look up a few things.

And how I wondered about that doe... Which part did you like best? At the moment it's the part where Slur says 'Harry, look... at... me..'. I think it stands out because I didn't understand it untill later in the book, then it hit me in the heart I had to go back and read it again. 'sniff'
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Post#3 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:36 pm

It took me two, five hour sessions to read in bed during the wee small hours of the morning the last two nights, and I'm now bushed (too pooped to pop).

Yes, I did wonder about the lovely doe, but I don't understand your word "Slur"; was that the translation of Professor Snape's name in the Norwegian edition? If so, then yes that was a the most poinient part of the story and made even more sense to all his previous savings of Harry's life in the earlier books, than mere one-up-manship with James.

A most satisfactory ending, even if we did have to lose a few favorite characters getting there, but then such is life.

A 'Well done!' to JK Rowling. :happyelf:
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Post#4 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:57 am

I don't understand your word "Slur"; was that the translation of Professor Snape's name in the Norwegian edition?

:elfroleeyes: Indeed it is. I keep using his Norwegian name for some reason. Maybe becauase it is a word with meaning in both languages, so I don't notice the mistake as I would would with names which are clearly Norwegian.
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Post#5 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:50 pm

I finished it on Sunday after spending hours of exciting reading :read: I also found the ending very fine and I will as my son Ereinion (he finished it today)sure read them all again .I'm glad lots of kids/youth /adult enjoy reading these books as well as Tolkien

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Post#6 » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:48 pm

I finished it the next day because I didn't get the book the first day... stupid ordering services... Anyways, I had always found Snape's traitorous murder of Dumbledore to be rather hard to believe, and I've never really reconciled myself with the fact that Dumbledore was actually pleading at the end... I thought maybe he had planbned on dying, but then that seemed kinda obvious, so I decided Snape really was a bad guy. But seriously, Snape is the most complicated character in HP and OI was really waiting for the mystery around him to unfold. Well, it was an okay explanation. I'm just glad he's not a bad guy and that Dumbledore didn't misplace his trust.

The other characters are disappointments, but then, they have been for the past three books, so I guess I wasn't really expecting much better. Ron and Hermione became more and more washed out, as were the Malfoys, the rest of the Weasley, and Neville and Luna. The only characters that seemed to matter in this book seemed to be Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, and Voldemort. I am satisfied with Snape, but the initial lies about Dumbledore's past seemed fairly obviously false, and it did nothing but frustrate me to find Harry disturbed by them, because it was obviously just Rowling trying to grow emotions in a blank character. The truth, when revealed by Aberforth, was anti-climactic and absolutely expected.

Harry himself did not change much from the fifth and sixth books. The only emotion in him that was convincing was anger. He seemed to feel angry at everything, his friends, his enemies, the world, everything. All other emotions were not convincing at all. His love for Ginny is not very well-written, because it just sounds fake. Rowling would be a failure at writing romance novels, because every emotion Harry feels for Ginny is put into words that look like they're copied out of some corny old romance. His acceptance of death near the end would have been convincingly written if she did not make the acceptance so sudden. It felt like one moment he was looking in the Pensieve and seeing Snape's history, all prepared to fight Voldemort and save everybody, and the next he was just content to accept death. Just like that. I mean, surely some internal struggle should've been made. Someone like Harry doesn't just accept death unless he's sure he can take Voldemort down with him. Harry is not the type to just die, content with detroying just part of Voldemort's soul, and leaving the Snake to Neville. He hates to endanger anyone, and it would've taken at least some thought for him to realize that some things he can trust to his friends.

As for Voldemort, still the same. Evil character, but no depth at all. Simply evil by birth and nature, it seems. You can tell a little from his past, but it all you can see is a troubled childhood. Nothign else hints at anything that would cause extreme evil to bud in Voldemort. He just feels like a simple target for the good guys to oppose.

Anywyas, glad that HP is finally over...

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Post#7 » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:22 am

Serverus Snape was the murderer of Dumbeldore but I was really suprised to see that Dumbeldore planned his death ( i wouldn't.) It's so sad thet Hedwig dies :sad:. The ending of the book was so suprising and this books gives just as many questions as answers. It's also sad that Freddy dies yet the nerdy Percy lives. The Elder Wand wasd used to repair Harry's wand. I was suprised that Serverus was in love with Lily Evans and that Harry named Nymphadora Tonks' son was named Ted(dy). :D
Also, I was surprised that Neville and Luna continued Dumbeldore's army and Neville suceeds in becoming the Herbology teacher of Hogwart's.

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Post#8 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:54 am

Snape is obviously the one most worth talking about. First -- I am so glad I'm not him. But second -- does anyone else see the tendancy of Rowling's heroes - by which I mean both Harry and Snape - to lean towards an "ends justify the means" way of fighting Voldemort?


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Post#9 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:45 pm

Most certainly. And rather than explaining why the followers of the theory, 'that the ends justify the means' don't comply with our family's values, and teaching what is better, they prohibit their children from reading the books and watching the movies. Children are smart enough to understand that they couldn't do what those kids did in real life and get away with it, but a little parental input would help make that a fact. I haven't explained myself very well here, but I can't spend any more time on it.
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Post#10 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:55 am

I think there are some people who let their children dive into HP without any guidance at all.... I also think that a lot of parents have let children who are too young read the story and see the movies. There are things in books 4-7 which I wouldn't want a 9 year old to be exposed to (yet I am sure that I saw many children under 9 waiting in line to get book 7 at the midnight release). And while 7-10 year olds are smart, they are relatively inexperienced in the world, and for the most part don't have critical thinking skills necessary to separate "what the author showcases as good, is good" when they are reading the story from "what is actually good in my life" (which may be quite different).

to tie it in with Snape... he has been "good while seemingly bad" ever since the first book. I'll admit I had my doubts at the end of book 6 but there is no question that Rowling paints him (and intended to paint him, double agent as he is) as brave and courageous and as having done something extremely necessary and admirable. But do the ends justify the means that Snape used (and, by extension, that Dumbledore, who apparently commissioned Snape to be a double agent, also used)? Rowling seems to think so. Does she give any indication otherwise?

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